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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2019 - 12:48 PM UTC
Hi Joel - yes, and no....the MFH 917 at 1/12 scale kit is currently for sale at just over $800 usd - ouch! I like model building, but I wonít try one of those until Iím REALLY sure I know what Iím doing!!! A streak in the paint of a $30 kit is a bummer....on a kit like that, a major disaster!!! Lol - as I mentioned above, Iím working up my nerve to try a 1/24 kit or two first. Among those I have is a 1/24 conversion for a Tamiya Ferrari - while not cheap, it seems like a good way to start and nowhere near the commitment required for the 1/12 kits. Who knows though? Maybe Iíll try one someday.

Take care
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2019 - 09:01 AM UTC

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Hi Michael, thanks for the note!

This was a fun build - it turned out better than I could have hoped for. Yes, a 1/12 version would be nice. Iíve only seen one at this scale, the MFH versions....wow, what a kit!! I have an MFH kit or two at 1/24 in my stash - Iím trying to work up the nerve to dive into one. Iím getting anxious about this, so think Iíll start one sooner than later.

The MFH 1/12 917 looks like a remarkable kit - maybe someday, just not now. If you find a plastic 1/12 or 1/20 version let us know -

Happy model building
Cheers
Nick



Nick,
the 1/12 scale MFH kits can go for as much as $650 or so. My wife would kill me as soon as the charge bill arrived. Still, I can think of worse ways to go.

Joel
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2019 - 08:23 AM UTC
Hi Michael, thanks for the note!

This was a fun build - it turned out better than I could have hoped for. Yes, a 1/12 version would be nice. Iíve only seen one at this scale, the MFH versions....wow, what a kit!! I have an MFH kit or two at 1/24 in my stash - Iím trying to work up the nerve to dive into one. Iím getting anxious about this, so think Iíll start one sooner than later.

The MFH 1/12 917 looks like a remarkable kit - maybe someday, just not now. If you find a plastic 1/12 or 1/20 version let us know -

Happy model building
Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2019 - 06:20 PM UTC
I missed the final photos of this. Too much travelling. The 917 looks fantastic and I can only envy your build skills for the detailing on the interior. I think I am going to have build one of these, I wonder if they do them in 1/12 scale somewhere.

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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2019 - 10:24 AM UTC
Hi Jesper and D,

Thanks for leaving the notes - I think I have been doing my builds in the wrong order - a few months ago I worked on scratch built off-road racers, then did some heavy duty mods to GT 40s and now the 917 and new Tamiyas. The scratch built trucks were very challenging and time consumptive, like the GT 40, so in relative terms, this is straight forward! And the Tamiyas, are a breeze! Its been fun to crank through the Nissan and soon enough into the Toyota....after that though....back into some rougher country.

About the rear deck rings on the 917 - they are simply so pronounced that I supposed they must have intentionally been placed. There is no need for them for decal placement - the doors don't have the outline, and the decals were much more challenging to get placed correctly. As I'm not a 917 expert I cant say whether they belong there or not? Joel's idea seems reasonable, so I'll stick with it!

Happy model building!

Cheers,

Nick
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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2019 - 01:47 AM UTC
D,
My Martini version was a minor conversion of the Fujimi Team Piper car. And those circles were on both sides on the rear of the engine cover. I just sanded them off as there isn't any other decal placement guides on the rest of the body, so why just those? I'm betting that they were never intended to be for decal placement. Here's a picture of the Piper rear deck. You can just barely see them on both sides.



Honestly, they just might have been on the real car that was modeled. One possible reason is that the white circles are rather thick vinyl discs with a ton of adhesive to hold them in place especially over the hot engine headers. I'm thinking that whenever they pulled off these discs, that they left those outlines of residue. And when Fujimi went to measure and photograph the car they were still there. So perhaps during the kit design process they included them because they were actually on the real car at one time.

Joel



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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - 09:05 PM UTC
Beautiful build Nick, you certainly knocked this one out quickly and managed to get a great result!

The metal mesh screens and scratch details bring it to life!

Quick question, on the front view with the rear cover raised, there is a circle visible on the LHS of the rear cover. Is this a moulded on location for a number decal?

Really looking forward to progress shots on your Tamiya project.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - 08:33 PM UTC
Another amazing build Nick. Man, you build them, as fast, as these cars could run.

I remember, an article, in a Danish car magazine, about a guy who had a 917 as a roadcar(Original racecar, not kitcar)
the authorities made him change part of the exaust system, due to noise problems. Cost him some horsepower, but I think he had plenty anyway. Imagine driving a 917 down a city street Fun, but not your daily driver.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - 05:52 AM UTC
HI Joel -

Glad it passes your eye test! Yes...that engine, buried within the chassis and body....oh well, at least with the AutoModeler blog the WIP pictures are available!

I'm really pleased with the paint this time. This is Vallejo Model Air with an Alclad Aqua Gloss II clear coat. So far I've had good luck with the combination. The counter-intuitive part is putting on a good "wet coat" of the gloss coat - essentially the opposite of what you should do with your base....all while avoiding puddling. It gets easier with some practice.

Yes, I'll post my dual build - the Nissan is already almost done even with a fair amount of added detail. The Tamiya kits go together very efficiently and provide a good foundation for whatever level of details the builder might choose.

take care

Nick

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Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - 09:23 AM UTC
Nick,
Just a fantastic build. The engine for me is the highlight of the build, as you did an some outstanding detailing effort on it. But like you said it's really hard to see much of it past the top of the turbine and intake stacks and shrouds. But you sure made up for it with the front cover off. Plenty of added detail there for sure.

Looking forward to your Duel Tamiya builds.


Joel

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Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - 08:02 AM UTC
Hi gents - yes, the Porsche 917k is done - and bright red:









It's sort of a bummer - you can't really see too much of the engine or other details once this it all buttoned up - I could have made the rear simply removable, as the kit would have you, but in real life, it lifts up so that's what I built, but you can't see much of the engine:





A few from inside, and bit less glare:







Above, you can see some of the interior...and below, no cheating- you can see and highs or lows in the paint...like where the top and bottom meet in the rt front...oh well!



And back to the great, bright, and shining outdoors!







I like the fact that the back deck is open:









Above - at least you get the impression that some part of this build isn't OOB! and below, parting shots:







And there you have my go at a 917k - really fun a build -

I've since moved on to a dual build - a much newer pair of GT's a Nissan and a Toyota - both from Tamiya and they each have fairly detailed engines, so there's plenty of potential for more! I forgot how smoothly those kits go together! wow. The Nissan is well underway and haven't started the Toyota - I'll post progress this week -

OK, thanks for having a look!

Cheers,

Nick











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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2019 - 01:16 AM UTC
Nick,
Even if you were building your 917 pure OOB, I can't believe that you've almost completed the build. I'm almost finished with the Lotus 25 and it's been 6 weeks, a new record for me.

Looking forward to your final update and pictures when you return from your business trip.

Joel
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 02:16 PM UTC
Hey guys,

Thanks for dropping by!

Hi Joel, I appreciate the nice words, especially as your work is always so nice! I have fun tackling these details - always interesting to try!

As for the Fujimi decals, Iíll find out this weekend! My comment about the stripes is just opinion by me - I donít think they look that great, although accurate to the car - the 917 has really long a sweeping lines and Iím not sure I think the stripes draw them out as well as they could - but - itís a LeMans winner! stripes or not lol! I should just use them! But I might not - lol -

Hi Michael - yes, I recognized those dashed lines immediately - the pink pig! Hmm...you know, that is a future project of mine and it has lots of detail....maybe I do have another dio in me.....it would sure be a nice way to show off whatís under the body.....and even an excuse to weather a race car! Hmmmm...

Hi Patrick - thanks for stopping by - Yes - that chassis tubing....sure looks easy, once itís done - less so in real time! I too wrestled with those delicate shapes. The toughest were the two, three pin arms in the rear. They really didnít want to stick to the rest of the frame. So, to help them along, I carefully cut off the lower pins, as flush as I could to the visible frame tubes - then drilled small holes (I think with a #78 bit?) where the pins were, then insrted short (really short!) segments of brass rod. From there, I used regular plastic glue to attach the two upper pins, and then CA glued the brass rods into the lower chassis. I enlarged the lower ďholesĒ to accept the rods. This was not a fast process - but, it did result in tight, clean fits that are fairly strong -

So - stick with your project! and Stay calm! - easier said than done, but, the results can be nice and worth the effort -

Hopefully Iíll get this finished and photographed this weekend - but wonít be able to post finished shots for about a week -

Happy model building!

Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2019 - 01:22 AM UTC

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Michael,
Now that's a great picture. the car in the background looks like a long tail Porsche 908. Do you have any idea where and when this picture was taken?

Joel



Hi Joel, I sourced it from one of the many news stories on Ferdinand Piech, the 917 designer. I thought of Nick's dio dilemma when I saw it. I don't know the date of the photo but clearly that's the Pink Pig in the foreground which ran only at the 1971 Le Mans race where it crashed.

cheers
Michael




Michael,
Great call on the Pink Pig. At 1st I thought it was primer, but you can clearly see those infamous dotted lines going across the door.

That would be one of the greatest dioramas of all time for race cars if anyone could pull it off.

Joel
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I am just absolutely (and I hate that term "absolute") fall down, pull-my-hair-out stupified by your build. I've spent the better part of 3 months building the Sebring 917 and encountered so many problems with the support tubing. All I can say is WOW.
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 12:44 PM UTC

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Michael,
Now that's a great picture. the car in the background looks like a long tail Porsche 908. Do you have any idea where and when this picture was taken?

Joel



Hi Joel, I sourced it from one of the many news stories on Ferdinand Piech, the 917 designer. I thought of Nick's dio dilemma when I saw it. I don't know the date of the photo but clearly that's the Pink Pig in the foreground which ran only at the 1971 Le Mans race where it crashed.

cheers
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2019 - 02:44 AM UTC
Michael,
Now that's a great picture. the car in the background looks like a long tail Porsche 908. Do you have any idea where and when this picture was taken?

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 06:22 PM UTC

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Hi guys,

Thanks for dropping by -

Michael, I'm glad you noticed the chassis work! it's fun to do, but, as I'm getting closer to finishing this build, I'm discovering that less and less of the interior will ever be seen again! - which is too bad - if nothing else the colors and materials are varied enough to make it interesting. It reminded my of dios I've seen that show cars torn down. I've built a few shop related dios - but, even in 1/35 scale they are huge, and I think my big dio days are done - so - I need to figure out a rational reason to show less body and more other stuff!






This would work as a dio for your Porsche and help show off your build.


cheers

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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 09:45 AM UTC
Nick,
To say that I'm more then impressed with both the quality and quantity of your detailing, is a understatement pure and simple. Not only that, but you're accomplishing it in for me would be record breaking time. Heck, I've spent months just adding what I'm fond of calling "Enhancing", not strictly detailing.

As for the decals, I've never used the Fujimi decals, as I usually go with AM decals when I feel it's necessary. But I don't recall seeing decals for the John Wyler 917s, which is strange considering how fast all of those Fujimi kits sell everywhere. Indy Cal only has the Martini decals, which is how I ended up doing that car. So you're only other option is to paint the stripes. There are options for the nose from just a straight stripe to the curved full radiator stripe.

Have a great business trip, and we'll be waiting for your next update for sure.

Joel

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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - 08:27 AM UTC
Hi guys,

Thanks for dropping by -

Michael, I'm glad you noticed the chassis work! it's fun to do, but, as I'm getting closer to finishing this build, I'm discovering that less and less of the interior will ever be seen again! - which is too bad - if nothing else the colors and materials are varied enough to make it interesting. It reminded my of dios I've seen that show cars torn down. I've built a few shop related dios - but, even in 1/35 scale they are huge, and I think my big dio days are done - so - I need to figure out a rational reason to show less body and more other stuff!

Gabriel, thanks for the advice! Yes, all my base colors are vallejo model air acrylics. I've been using the Aqua Gloss II, and have had a predicable (by me) challenge, spraying enough on to be a wet coat, but not so much that it pools. I know not a huge problem but one that seems relevant on these curvy race cars!

Hi Joel - thanks - I guess I need to earn my keep here somehow, as you (and Gabriel)among others do such damn nice work on the bodies!! lol - a real challenge for me.

Speaking of which, as the painting of the 917 body comes, up, I'm not sure I want to use all of the kit decals - I don't like the looks of the white stripes - either in terms of their "line" or the color against the red body - I might not use them - hopefully not a blasphemous statement by me, but I don't like the look....


OK - the rolling chassis/very lower body is done:




















So - making lots of good progress - but, it's a drag that most of this will never bee seen again! In retrospect, if I were building this again, and closing it in, I think I'd scratch build the engine. While not easy, probably OK because most of the really nice details in the HRM kit, are hidden from view. I'll bet with some patience it could be done, and, sadly, I probably wouldn't do the front end work again. While it as really interesting to build, maybe not worth it in the end - who knows? My sense is I won't do it again until I start my next project!

Next week I'll be traveling for work, so won't be posting update photos for a while -

Ok, happy model building

Cheers
Nick







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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - 03:17 AM UTC
Nick,
You're modeling on a whole different plane then most of us. As I've said, the engine is a masterpiece all by itself, and then you went ahead and super detailed the super detailed engine. Those two intake shrouds look great, which is saying something as the magnification is so great.

Thanks for the explanation of how the engine assembly is installed.

The pictures of the chassis just blows away my basically OOB build.

As for what paint you use, it really doesn't much matter. Nothing dries quicker then Lacquers. Then comes Acrylic lacquers. The issue is that they dry rock hard, harder then Lacquers, so wet sanding, rubbing them out, polishing, and waxing is more of an effort. But I've seen plenty of paint jobs done with them that are national winners. There's a guy a little younger then me: The Lone Wolf who still paints with Testors paints, and he's a constant winner at model car contests.

As for the Aqua Gloss, if it works for you, then stick with it till you want to move on. I use the Semi Matt as a clear coat for Metallics if I'm going to need to handle those parts or areas. Other then that I'm still using Mr Hobby's C46 Super Clear, but now I have two sources for their Super Clear III GX100 which is supposed to have a deeper shine.

Joel
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Joel part 1 - thanks! yes, the art of painting...lots to learn there. I think I might complicate this by only painting with acrylics, lots of reasons, but I'm sticking with them. And, you're right - flat colors for armor are fairly forgiving - unlike the base color you use for a shiny auto finish. I have decided I like the alclad Aqua Gloss 2 - though i believe it is the culprit for my recent headaches with my airbrushes! - even though I thought I thoroughly rinsed them after use - apparently not!



In my experience, Alclad Aqua GLoss II isn't that bad as a clear coat. I frequently use it to coat my metallic finishes to protect the pigment of my harsh Caribbean environment. I don't use it as a bodywork coat because it's much softer than urethanes and prone to scratching or matting just by regulat handling.
Quick tip: acrylics dry very fast: don't give a chance to Aqua Gloss to dry inside your airbrush. After you finish spraying, add some alcohol right away into the cup and a drop of acrylic color (the darker the better). Mix with the remaining Aqua Gloss, then clean the airbrush. Now you'll be able to see if any residue remains in the A/B.

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Posted: Monday, August 26, 2019 - 12:40 PM UTC
Fantastic looking engine Nick. The detailing visible is superb. Plus all the extra work on the chassis/floorplan is very impressive.

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Posted: Monday, August 26, 2019 - 08:06 AM UTC
HI Jesper and Joel,

thanks for stopping by -

Joel part 1 - thanks! yes, the art of painting...lots to learn there. I think I might complicate this by only painting with acrylics, lots of reasons, but I'm sticking with them. And, you're right - flat colors for armor are fairly forgiving - unlike the base color you use for a shiny auto finish. I have decided I like the alclad Aqua Gloss 2 - though i believe it is the culprit for my recent headaches with my airbrushes! - even though I thought I thoroughly rinsed them after use - apparently not!

Jesper and Joel, yes that engine is a beast! but really interesting to build - and, yes, includes a lot of wiring and tubing, so I've added a few more pics. First though, regarding installation, it is a very tight fit, as you'll see below, tabs are provide - on the front of the engine, and in the middle of the rear section of the chassis:



Thankfully the engine drops right into these - on the firewall and chassis.

Less graceful is the "top" of the Fujimi engine, which is for air intakes and a shroud - It's just chunky plastic so I made special pieces for both using scrap metal parts:





As you can see above, my solution is not thick/huge, I think it looks convincing, and you can still catch a glimpse of the distributors etc - which was a lot of work to build.

On to the body/chassis:









and a few more of the engine with my air boxes:







I left these in raw metal - I like the look. The small shrouds will be painted gloss black.

OK, I need to run - happy model building!

Cheers
Nick












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Posted: Monday, August 26, 2019 - 12:50 AM UTC

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it turns out both pieces can fly!!!


Aren't racecars supposed to have great downforce

A shame about the parts taking their leave, but, by the sound of it, it should be an easy fix.

That's a serious amount of wiring, on the flat 12. Super job on the added details.




Jasper,

Like you, I'm amazed that Nick not only got all 12 spark plug wires for each cylinder bank properly installed, but managed to get both distributors wired up as well. And then just for fun he drilled and ran the fuel injection lines from the metering unit to each intake injector.

My one question is just how is he going to mount the motor to the chassis as there doesn't seem to be any motor mounts on the lower frame.

Joel