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Mannschaftstransportwagen Magirus ARW
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2019 - 12:03 AM UTC
Really nice detailing work, built that kit myself, but straight from the box.
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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2019 - 12:49 AM UTC
hmmmmmmmmmmm
going off on a wild tour into the dark forests of the Guessing Country ..............

1. This was a prototype.
2. I read somewhere that the specified weight limit was to be 7.5 tons and the armour was specified as 13.5 mm
3. The rims were cast from some kind of light metal alloy to keep the weight down.

Casting something large is one thing, casting something large and with thin walls, 13.5 mm thick sides of a casting that is somewhere around 5.5 meters long is more difficult.

My guess is that the hull was not cast at all except maybe for small pieces. If I were to build such a prototype I would use steel plates. For the full scale production it might be better to use casting but considering the shapes of the hull it could still be easier to shape steel plates and weld them together. Maybe it was even a simple armoured box with rounded ends and the fancy shapes over the wheels was only thin sheet metal.
The welds you have made under the wheel arches:

would fit the armoured box theory. The flat sides is the armoured box and the rounded shapes on the outside are there to increase volume to try and meet the original requirement that the ARW should float ...
Maybe you have already seen this page:
http://aviarmor.net/tww2/armored_cars/germany/arw.htm


The answer to your question: My guess is that almost the whole thing was welded. Don't know what I should say about the turret though ...
/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 11:40 PM UTC
By the way. Robin, what do you think was the turret box welded of it was casted with hull?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 02:51 AM UTC

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If this is a Mannschaftstransportwagen or APC, I wonder how the dismounts get in and out?



Well, during those years the names used for various vehicles did not necessarily describe the real purpose of the vehicle.

Grosstraktor (to pull heavy stuff or maybe for very big farms),
Leichttraktor (to pull light equipment, maybe for airfields or for smaller farms),
Mannschaftstransportwagen (probably a new type of truck for transporting troops),
Battalionsführerwagen (some kind of staff car with space for more radios, probably somewhere in between a large PKW and a light LKW, definitely smaller than Montys armoured truck).

Later there were other euphemisms as well, such as "Arbeit macht frei" (my experience is that it usually makes sweat ...)

/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 01:49 AM UTC
If this is a Mannschaftstransportwagen or APC, I wonder how the dismounts get in and out?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - 12:04 AM UTC

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Artyom,

Beautiful build you share with us. Thanks.

Which supplier you took for these welds?



Hello,Paul! Thank you! Very good that the vehicle is interesting for modellers

I often use Tamiya epoxy putty (quick type).
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 11:57 PM UTC
Artyom,

Beautiful build you share with us. Thanks.

Which supplier you took for these welds?
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 11:52 PM UTC

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To my eyes the rounding between the top and the sides of the hull look good.
The corners that you have marked could possibly be a little to sharp on the kit. Those should be possible to sand down to make them softer/rounder, there should be enough resin there
I also get the impression that the rear edge of the wheel arch is almost a horizontal straight line on the real ARW but on the kit it curves slightly downwards to form sort of a point.
/ Robin



Yes. I think nothing critical. I will try to get corners rounder after I finish all works with welds. Indeed there are much enough resin there. If i fail I will use epoxy putty.

I have either impression about wheels arch. But I think I won't do anything about it. This work will be too complicated.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 11:20 PM UTC
To my eyes the rounding between the top and the sides of the hull look good.
The corners that you have marked could possibly be a little to sharp on the kit. Those should be possible to sand down to make them softer/rounder, there should be enough resin there
I also get the impression that the rear edge of the wheel arch is almost a horizontal straight line on the real ARW but on the kit it curves slightly downwards to form sort of a point.
/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 11:00 PM UTC
Indeed. Now I see the difference clearly.
Welding is very boring process. I have started it. It seems to me I will need all next week to complete this work. Or maybe more.











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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 06:12 AM UTC

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What you could do is to take a photo of the kit hull from the same angles as the original photos and compare the rounding of the hull.
I get the impression that the kit hull is fairly accurate in shape but it is difficult to compare when the angles and the lighting is so different ...
/ Robin



Tomorrow I will do a comparasion photos. I will add them here.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 06:09 AM UTC
What you could do is to take a photo of the kit hull from the same angles as the original photos and compare the rounding of the hull.
I get the impression that the kit hull is fairly accurate in shape but it is difficult to compare when the angles and the lighting is so different ...
/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2019 - 05:59 AM UTC

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For sure another refreshingly rare subject, designed around 1928 but the Depression prevented further development and by the time Hitler had borrowed enough money to resume in the mid 1930’s the 231 was considered cheaper & more advanced. One thing Artyom – maybe it’s just the lighting in some photos but it looks like the curved edge along the sides of the hull is much softer in real life than the kit’s? The difference is best seen between the 2nd and 3rd photos in your most recent update.



Yes,you are right. Funny that they have tested Magirus in USSR near Kazan. And almost all photos of only one armed vehicle are from Russia. Amazing.

Hull is very difficult. I see the little difference but I have nothing to do with that.



It seems that there was two different hull types being tested.

The rounded one:


The slightly more box shaped one:


Lead Warriors kit (the boxy type).



Examples:
1. how the headlights fit into the front end
2. how the hull rounds inwards, or does not, between the wheels,
3. two different types of wheels (boxy hull has spoked wheels).

The Lead Warrior kit represents the boxy type.
/ Robin




Hello, Robin! Thank you for information and your attention. I agree with you. I think photos without turret were taken in Germany. It was just experimental chassis. After your words I have mentioned the difference you was talking about. I was surprised. I don't know what to do with that. So I continue my work with this kit more carefully.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 - 11:13 PM UTC

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For sure another refreshingly rare subject, designed around 1928 but the Depression prevented further development and by the time Hitler had borrowed enough money to resume in the mid 1930’s the 231 was considered cheaper & more advanced. One thing Artyom – maybe it’s just the lighting in some photos but it looks like the curved edge along the sides of the hull is much softer in real life than the kit’s? The difference is best seen between the 2nd and 3rd photos in your most recent update.



Yes,you are right. Funny that they have tested Magirus in USSR near Kazan. And almost all photos of only one armed vehicle are from Russia. Amazing.

Hull is very difficult. I see the little difference but I have nothing to do with that.



It seems that there was two different hull types being tested.

The rounded one:


The slightly more box shaped one:


Lead Warriors kit (the boxy type).



Examples:
1. how the headlights fit into the front end
2. how the hull rounds inwards, or does not, between the wheels,
3. two different types of wheels (boxy hull has spoked wheels).

The Lead Warrior kit represents the boxy type.
/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 - 08:07 PM UTC

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What an interesting vehicle. This is a beautiful work of art and your craftsmanship is amazing. I can't wait to see it finished.

PS:I still build Tigers and Panthers....I love them...but I do appreciate obscure and interesting vehicles such as this.



Hello,Jeff! Indeed. This is very interesting vehicle. Amazing fact that this vehicle was tested by Germans in USSR near Kazan. All photos has been taken there.
I like to build such thing and I hope my future biulds will be interesting too.
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Posted: Friday, August 02, 2019 - 04:41 AM UTC
What an interesting vehicle. This is a beautiful work of art and your craftsmanship is amazing. I can't wait to see it finished.

PS:I still build Tigers and Panthers....I love them...but I do appreciate obscure and interesting vehicles such as this.
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Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 10:49 PM UTC

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Beautiful work as usual – have you ever considered a career making jewellery, or did any of your ancestors work for Faberge? Those boxes are gems



Thank you,Tim! I didn't think about it. Perhaps, I should try myself
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Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 09:54 PM UTC
Beautiful work as usual – have you ever considered a career making jewellery, or did any of your ancestors work for Faberge? Those boxes are gems
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Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 06:19 AM UTC
My latest progress with welds and copper. Still more work ahead but I enjoy the process

















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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2019 - 11:35 PM UTC
Some WIP. Almost all extra details i do by myself. It's more attractive and all those details in resin have quite poor detalization.









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Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - 12:29 AM UTC
I have had to sacrifice historicity of air intake. I've decided to make it my way. Unfortunateluy no historical photos of this joint at all. So my version is possible I think. More welds to come.











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Posted: Friday, July 19, 2019 - 01:42 AM UTC

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For sure another refreshingly rare subject, designed around 1928 but the Depression prevented further development and by the time Hitler had borrowed enough money to resume in the mid 1930’s the 231 was considered cheaper & more advanced. One thing Artyom – maybe it’s just the lighting in some photos but it looks like the curved edge along the sides of the hull is much softer in real life than the kit’s? The difference is best seen between the 2nd and 3rd photos in your most recent update.



Yes,you are right. Funny that they have tested Magirus in USSR near Kazan. And almost all photos of only one armed vehicle are from Russia. Amazing.

Hull is very difficult. I see the little difference but I have nothing to do with that.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 11:38 PM UTC
For sure another refreshingly rare subject, designed around 1928 but the Depression prevented further development and by the time Hitler had borrowed enough money to resume in the mid 1930’s the 231 was considered cheaper & more advanced. One thing Artyom – maybe it’s just the lighting in some photos but it looks like the curved edge along the sides of the hull is much softer in real life than the kit’s? The difference is best seen between the 2nd and 3rd photos in your most recent update.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 05:38 PM UTC

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Greetings! I am a lucky man. Now I have one copy of Leadwarrior's limited edition of full resin kit. This is Mannschaftstransportwagen Magirus ARW . Very rare and beautiful armored car. I will try to make some corrections with welds and extra details on a hull. I hope it will be interesting.























Hello, Artyom!

THIS is an EXCELLENT CHOICE of a not very well-known Armored Vehicle! It DOES look like a Military Version of a Sports Car!!! I will be following this build with great interest, as I did your last one not so long ago!

Artyom, I see two different types of Wheels in your photos- Which style are you going to use?

This is interesting, INTERESTING!!! Thank You for not building "another" Panther or Tiger like too many other modelers do!!!



Hi,Dennis! I usually build unusual vehicles. That's true. I like to know something new. There are many unique models on the market but people still building Tigers and T-34s. That's amazing.

I will use wheels from the kit (first and second photos). Second type are from prototype (third photo).

I really enjoy your words! Thank you! I am very happy that this build and armored car are interesting!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - 07:31 AM UTC

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Greetings! I am a lucky man. Now I have one copy of Leadwarrior's limited edition of full resin kit. This is Mannschaftstransportwagen Magirus ARW . Very rare and beautiful armored car. I will try to make some corrections with welds and extra details on a hull. I hope it will be interesting.























Hello, Artyom!

THIS is an EXCELLENT CHOICE of a not very well-known Armored Vehicle! It DOES look like a Military Version of a Sports Car!!! I will be following this build with great interest, as I did your last one not so long ago!

Artyom, I see two different types of Wheels in your photos- Which style are you going to use?

This is interesting, INTERESTING!!! Thank You for not building "another" Panther or Tiger like too many other modelers do!!!