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HMS MALCOLM SCOTT CLASS FLOTILLA LEADER 1/
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 07:53 AM UTC
Simon: Would it be correct to assume that if you were doing Malcolm in her configuration immediate pre-war you would do her in 507a hull and superstructure like the rest of the Home Fleet?

I am not considering any of the early war upgrades here, just the basic colors carried by Home Fleet destroyers in say January 1939.

The information I have derived from a book I saw advertised on this site, "British Destroyers 1939-45 Pre-war Classes", suggests that 507a Dark Gray would be the overall appropriate color, for DD's operating in home waters, while 507c Light Gray would be appropriate for destroyers on overseas deployment.

Again going from pictures and prints I am going to again assume that the pennant numbers while in the dark gray scheme would be in white, and for the light gray, they would be in black.

As you can see I have much to learn about the RN. I am a real babe in the woods in this regard.
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 08:26 AM UTC
Always a pleasure to watch you build, Si!

Yes, go for Telford mate! We need more floaties at the shows!

If I may butt in, Chuck...


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Simon: Would it be correct to assume that if you were doing Malcolm in her configuration immediate pre-war you would do her in 507a hull and superstructure like the rest of the Home Fleet?

I am not considering any of the early war upgrades here, just the basic colors carried by Home Fleet destroyers in say January 1939.

The information I have derived from a book I saw advertised on this site, "British Destroyers 1939-45 Pre-war Classes", suggests that 507a Dark Gray would be the overall appropriate color, for DD's operating in home waters, while 507c Light Gray would be appropriate for destroyers on overseas deployment.

Again going from pictures and prints I am going to again assume that the pennant numbers while in the dark gray scheme would be in white, and for the light gray, they would be in black.

As you can see I have much to learn about the RN. I am a real babe in the woods in this regard.



There's a great resource on the White Ensign site here that shows many ships colour schemes, of note is HMS Eskimo in 1940, which states:

All vertical surfaces—AP 507B Admiralty Medium Grey

Steel decks & walkways, decks of launches (except Admiral’s Barge)—Admiralty Dark Grey

Hope this is of assistance to you
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 09:20 AM UTC

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Always a pleasure to watch you build, Si!

Yes, go for Telford mate! We need more floaties at the shows!

If I may butt in, Chuck...


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Simon: Would it be correct to assume that if you were doing Malcolm in her configuration immediate pre-war you would do her in 507a hull and superstructure like the rest of the Home Fleet?

I am not considering any of the early war upgrades here, just the basic colors carried by Home Fleet destroyers in say January 1939.

The information I have derived from a book I saw advertised on this site, "British Destroyers 1939-45 Pre-war Classes", suggests that 507a Dark Gray would be the overall appropriate color, for DD's operating in home waters, while 507c Light Gray would be appropriate for destroyers on overseas deployment.

Again going from pictures and prints I am going to again assume that the pennant numbers while in the dark gray scheme would be in white, and for the light gray, they would be in black.

As you can see I have much to learn about the RN. I am a real babe in the woods in this regard.



There's a great resource on the White Ensign site here that shows many ships colour schemes, of note is HMS Eskimo in 1940, which states:

All vertical surfaces—AP 507B Admiralty Medium Grey

Steel decks & walkways, decks of launches (except Admiral’s Barge)—Admiralty Dark Grey

Hope this is of assistance to you



Hi Chuck,

Concur with Russ, white pennant numbers if I remember correctly.


Thanks Russ, please feel free to butt in at any time.

Would like to have this on the stand, WW1 era destroyer, converted into a Long Range Escort in a WA scheme, get a little interest.

Am planning to take a few with me, and probably bring a few more back as well.

Always appreciate you looking in mate.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 09:58 AM UTC
Both of you have earned my own personal lifetime "BUTT IN AND GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" Card.

Very much appreciated.
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 10:18 AM UTC
Two good turns to me, and hopefully one good turn in return.

I do a lot of Superior and Tri-ang 1/1200 ships. I am sure both of you are familiar with them. Never found a good paint match in a spray can for RN or DKM Light Grays, plus the Standard Navy Gray for pre-war USN ships, that is until today. Had to go to Lowe's for some household stuff, and figured I would give it another try at finding that color, or a very, very close approximation in the paint department while I was there.

Well, I told the lady what I wanted, and she led me right to Krylon Glacier Gray (paint and primer combo), and the world seemed brighter, the bird sang more sweetly, and it was off to give it a try. Pilled out one of my surplus 1/350 hulls I keep around for experimentation and WOW, it looks great. As a bonus it dries to the touch very rapidly. Not cured of course, but you can handle it safely after an hour.

Thought this info might be of some use. I believe Krylon is available in the UK.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - 09:26 PM UTC
Thanks for the heads up Chuck.

I have heard of Krylon before. I think Gabriel (Szmann) has mentioned them before...

Not sure they're available in Australia... I am a Colourcoats (enamel) addict at this stage though
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 05:53 AM UTC
Not familiar with it Chuck,

will do some poking around at Telford, Could come if handy. I know it has criticised, but I use Tamiya TS80, RN grey or 507C, TS66 Kure Arsenal grey for 507B, not exactly right, but they look pretty close.

DKM greys, I tend to get the windy stick out.

Cheers


Si,

PS you are always free to butt in om my builds mate.
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 06:28 AM UTC
I hope so Simon. After all it is my "BUTT IN GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" Card, that I have torn two pieces from, to share with you and Russ.

TS80 is pretty good, and I have used it on the real small boys as well, but at that scale it seems a bit off, probably caused by scale effect. Would not hesitate though to use it on 1/350. Still not perfect, but certainly one of those "best available" solutions. Never considered Kure Gray, but will look into it. I certainly do like it for the IJN though. Not too dark, but not too light either. "All truth is in the middle". That phrase sounds better in Latin, but it has been a very long time since I was a sophomore in high school.

Finally got started on Ashanti yesterday. Unable to share though, because I own neither a smart phone or digital camera. To me a phone is smart enough if I reach the party I am calling. A child of another age I suspect.
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Posted: Thursday, October 25, 2018 - 08:10 PM UTC

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I hope so Simon. After all it is my "BUTT IN GET OUT OF JAIL FREE" Card, that I have torn two pieces from, to share with you and Russ.

TS80 is pretty good, and I have used it on the real small boys as well, but at that scale it seems a bit off, probably caused by scale effect. Would not hesitate though to use it on 1/350. Still not perfect, but certainly one of those "best available" solutions. Never considered Kure Gray, but will look into it. I certainly do like it for the IJN though. Not too dark, but not too light either. "All truth is in the middle". That phrase sounds better in Latin, but it has been a very long time since I was a sophomore in high school.

Finally got started on Ashanti yesterday. Unable to share though, because I own neither a smart phone or digital camera. To me a phone is smart enough if I reach the party I am calling. A child of another age I suspect.




Hi Chuck,

I work on the old WW2 RN system, used the many a Chief Bosun's Mate when getting a ship painted and mixing camo colours they don't have available, TLAR - "That looks about right", and of course the home mixed colours each weathered differently.

Alright that is my excuse for being a bit lazy about colours. Being serious TS80 is a bit washed out, I have sprayed it over a black base coat, gently building up mist coats to get what I want.

I know what you mean about Smart phones, and frankly I don't like using any camera that doesn't have a proper viewfinder that I can stick my eyeball right up against. Yes I am fossilized dinosaur and proud of it!


Cheers

Si



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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 07:25 AM UTC
Yesterday's progress.

Rigging on the after funnel.



The two single 2pdr pompoms built up.



painted and fitted.



The twin lewis gun mounts on the quarterdeck, along with depth charge reloads.



after throwers and rails in place.



More soon

cheers

Si



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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 11:25 AM UTC
Si,

Nice work with the rigging and guns. Really digging those depth charge racks, nice.

Mark
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Posted: Friday, October 26, 2018 - 09:17 PM UTC

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Si,

Nice work with the rigging and guns. Really digging those depth charge racks, nice.

Mark




Hi Mark,

they were fun to fold, but the resin depth charges are very nicely cast.

Thanks for looking in.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2018 - 02:38 AM UTC
Si, she's coming together very well. I like those diminutive Lewis guns!
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2018 - 09:52 PM UTC

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Si, she's coming together very well. I like those diminutive Lewis guns!




Thanks Tim,

For a couple of simple bits of etch, the Lewis guns are surprisingly effective, unlike the real mount, which I think was more to boost crew morale than actually shoot anything down.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 - 09:51 PM UTC
once the depth charge throwers and rigging starts to go on, you know you're nearly there
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2018 - 10:25 PM UTC
Yesterday's progress.

Liferafts on the rack, etched paddels provided in the kit have been added.



Anchor cables fitted.



Building the 4.7" guns.







For'd gun in place.



after gun, and some of the tiny detail on the quarterdeck.



A start on fitting the splinter padding to the 3" gun platform.



An overview of the ship so far.



More soon.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 12:23 AM UTC
Si,

Very nice progress, those life rafts paddles really standout. Looks like the paint on the anchor chains have worn off in spots.

Mark
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2018 - 07:45 AM UTC

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Si,

Very nice progress, those life rafts paddles really standout. Looks like the paint on the anchor chains have worn off in spots.

Mark



Thanks Mark,

The paddles are a nice touch, very few kits actually include them. I will touch in the worn spots on the cable , and put a rusty wash over it.

Cheers mate.

Si


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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 07:48 AM UTC
Big push to get this puppy done for Telford.

The splinter padding done on the 3" gun platform.



Boats ready for fitting.



Cable reels built, and ready for paint.



Motor boat davits and cable reels in place.



Whaler davits fitted, along with their cable reels.



Foremast built, the lower section being a turned brass component provided in the kit, the rest brass rod, resin crow's nest & etched aerials.



main mast and pole aerial mast.



all three masts base coated.

detail painted and in position.



More soon.Cheers

Si

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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 09:54 AM UTC
Sweet as morning dew on a peach blossom.

In other words, splendid build. Anxious to see how you mount it on a stand.
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 02:24 PM UTC
Si,

Those masts look wonderful, also nice work on the boats and cable reels. Are you getting close to the finish?

Mark
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 08:34 PM UTC

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Si,

Those masts look wonderful, also nice work on the boats and cable reels. Are you getting close to the finish?

Mark



Hi Mark,

Yup close to finishing. rigging, maindeck railings, and a few final details to go on.

Thanks for looking in mate.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, November 05, 2018 - 08:55 PM UTC
Very close now Si. Not long to go till Telford mate. Fingers crossed you finish her in time
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Posted: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 - 06:34 AM UTC

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Very close now Si. Not long to go till Telford mate. Fingers crossed you finish her in time



Thanks for the support Mate,

another big push today, rigging done. will post the update shortly, my camera is chucking away downloading the pics.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 - 06:58 AM UTC
Today's progress, which has basically been rigging, and the other odd thing.

Firstly, etched boat securing straps, you might call them tricing pendants I presume, except the are diagonal.





There are some etched, what I would call Ratlines, provided for the foremast.



In place.

.

Pictures without words, except one word - Rigging.











Done.



Now anchors, railings and Jack & ensign staffs.

Will get that done either tomorrow or Thursday.

Cheers

Si