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Pirate Felucca
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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - 01:31 PM UTC
Moving this blog to General Ship Modeling.

Hi Folks,
With some encouragement from Tim Reynaga I'm going to attempt a build log of the Lindberg kit of a Pirate Felucca. This is only my second build log. I'm hoping it will drive me to actually complete a build. Something I haven't done in a while. This kit is one of the golden oldies from a couple generations ago that's been re-released by Round 2 Models. The only number on the box I've found is HL205/12 so I assume it is the kit number. The scale is listed as 1/250 and it looks to be fairly accurate from my Mark I eyeball.




I'm having trouble saving photos to this blog. I can't find the properties for the expanded photos in my Kitmaker gallery so I'm having to post thumbnails. I'll try to correct it in future posts.

There aren't a lot of parts to the kit. There is a small amount of flash on some but nothing difficult to remove. I re-purposed the two cannon intended for the quarter-deck for an earlier build. The other cannons do not have wheels molded on so I intend to rig them as carronades.



The oars appear to be grossly out of scale. I'm going to re-purpose some oars from an old Heller 1/450 scale La Reale kit that look like they will do in this scale.

There is wood grain detail on the hull exterior and deck. I'm not sure if you can make out the grain on this close-up of the hull. There is no wood grain detail on the inside walls of the hull. The oar ports are a little low on the hull based on illustrations I've been able to find but I'm going to go with them as provided.




The instructions are 2 pages with exploded views for parts placement. Simplified rigging is also shown.






The decal sheet is colorful and provides a selection of flags, sail markings, and a decal for the stern rail to show decorative scrollwork.



In cleaning up the parts to start construction I noticed the locator peg for mounting the anchor is well back on the starboard side under the #1 gun port and over the oars. This wouldn't be practical so I removed the peg and will mount the anchor on the bow later.

I've started by gluing together the two hull halves and the deck. There are fine locator pins on the hull halves which assists in alignment and do not create any gaps.



The deck fits snugly with only minor gaping that will need some putty to fill. I also need to do some filling and sanding on the stern rail.



Question for our members: There are no parts for a steering wheel or tiller in the kit. The illustrations I've been able to find on the internet for sea-going feluccas don't seem to show a wheel or tiller either. Sail handing equipment and stern guns are shown but no steering. Tillers are used for river-bound feluccas. Would the feluccas have been steered from an aft cabin below the weather deck?

I hope to use some of Tim's techniques he's displayed so well on his Chinese Junk, Nina and Pinta builds he's posted here are Model Shipwrights. I don't have an airbrush so I'll be using rattle cans and brushes when we get to the painting. I'm going to try and paint the ship in a color scheme similar to the box art.

I'm asking for comments and critiques as I progress so we can all benefit from our shared experiences.

Thanks for looking.

John


PS - I meant to post this in the General Ship Modeling Forum. Can one of our moderators move this blog or let me know how to move it? Thanks John











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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - 11:49 PM UTC
Wow, that is one tiny ship. I don't think my fat hands would be able to work with it without always knocking something off.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 12:02 AM UTC
Hi John,
Good start. For your pictures, when you are copying the link remove the word "Thumbs" from it and the pics will show full size.

Jesse
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 12:37 AM UTC
Hi John,

Jesse is right - if you want to post one of your pictures from the Kitmaker Gallery full sized, go to your Member Gallery and click on the thumbnail picture you want. This will to bring it to full size on the screen. Then under Linked Thumbnail below it, copy the entire address and drop it into your message. Before posting the message, delete /thumbs from the middle of the address and the image will appear full sized in your post.




I'm delighted to see that you are going forward with the Felucca - it's always fun to see these ancient Pyro moldings actually getting built.

Great idea replacing those massive oars with the finer parts from the Heller kit, too. I'm ready to watch and learn!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 02:14 AM UTC
Thanks guys for the info on posting the photos. There's a lot of open space on deck that I want to busy up some when I get to the detail stage of the build. Maybe some barrels made from sprue, boxes from Evergreen stock, coiled ropes, etc. Maybe add a bow or stern chaser, or even swivel guns on the quarter deck rails. Not having built sailing ships before, if you think of anything that should be there let me know. I'm assuming the steering and windlass are below decks but if you think of something, let me know.

I'm going to try some Z scale railroad figures as crew to see if they're close to scale. Not a lot, maybe a few working on a gun or moving stores, lookouts, etc. Just to add interest. But I've got to finish the ship first. Starting back on her today.
Thanks for your interest.
John
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 09:27 AM UTC
Looks real tiny John, but a whole lotta fun!

Following with interest!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 01:19 PM UTC
That will make a lovely ship model. I think the proportions look good. Also, I love the lateen sails.
I have looked at a few finished ones on the internet. I have to agree the sweeps in the kit are huge and hideous, and the sweep ports also look much too large and too low - like, below the water line.
Sweep ports were much smaller than a gun port. in this scale they would be barely recognizable as a hole in the side: an 18 inch square port would be .007". I think you would be justified in filling the kit ports and drilling tiny holes to insert your new oars along a new line higher up under the wales.
but Im really just an armchair sailor, so please carry on with your plan.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 02:07 PM UTC

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...the sweeps in the kit are huge and hideous, and the sweep ports also look much too large and too low - like, below the water line.
Sweep ports were much smaller than a gun port. in this scale they would be barely recognizable as a hole in the side: an 18 inch square port would be .007". I think you would be justified in filling the kit ports and drilling tiny holes to insert your new oars along a new line higher up under the wales...



I agree. Check out this felucca rendering from Björn Landström’s The Ship: An Illustrated History:

Unlike Pyro's interpretation, the sweep ports look to be at the main deck level next to the larger gun ports - near, but definitely above, the water line.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 02:16 PM UTC
Jonathan,
I appreciate your comments. Early on I thought about filling the oar ports and storing the oars either inboard or outboard the quarterdeck rails. From what I've read the sweeps were often extended through the gun ports or through oar ports between the guns because the ships sat low in the water similar to a galley. I may go that route. I'm still working on the hull so it wouldn't be a problem. Thanks again.
John
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 02:25 PM UTC
Tim,
Thanks for those illustrations. I've decided to fill the oar ports and stack the oars along the quarterdeck rails. I like that color scheme too. Interesting that your illustrations show a third mast. I've got some parts from other small scale sailing ships. I may try and add that mizzen mast if I can find another lateen sail. I also will be adding a bowsprit and a mizzen boom if I add the mizzen mast.
Thanks everyone for all the comments so far.
John
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Posted: Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 07:34 AM UTC
Hi guys. Just a short update.
I've filled the oar ports in the hull. I used 2mm disks punched from .010mm plastic card. The hole punch came from the scrapbooking aisle at Hobby Lobby. They have several punch sizes. Its a cheap alternative to a punch and die set.



I used Tamiya white putty on top of the disks.



Sorry for the quality of the photos. Hands shaking a little today.

While waiting for the putty to dry I worked on the ejector pin marks on the back side of the sails. There are three pin marks on each sail near the corners and another pin mark where the spars overlap. The plastic is easy to work with, not brittle at all. Care will be needed as some of the pin marks are on the sail ribs.

After the putty dried I did some sanding and then I hit the hull with Tamiya spray can TS-3 Dark Yellow base coat to look for areas needing additional work.

So now I'm waiting for the paint to dry. This may take a while as its humid in my house from the thunderstorms outside.

Thanks for looking.
John