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Imperial chinese Ironclad Dingyuen
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 10:33 PM GMT+7
Some great progress here Thomas
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 12:33 PM GMT+7
Thomas,

That is some nice work on the mast. The gun on the platform looks good as well. I too have lost photoetch parts and replaced them with whatever I could! In this case, I think your curved wire shoulder rest looks even better (more three-dimensional) than the etched part would have looked anyway! Keep up the good work, I'll be following with interest.
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 10:39 AM GMT+7
Hi Thomas,
You're making good progress and the work on the mast looks great.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 07:35 AM GMT+7
@Mark: the flat irons purpose are indeed to mate the two masts together. The screwheads were too tiny to show them

@Simon: Thank you very much
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 07:09 AM GMT+7
Great Work Thomas,

The lead strips look right, and the scratchbuilt upper section is a great piece work.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 06:47 AM GMT+7
Nice, is that lead strips used to attached the two masts together?
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 05:40 AM GMT+7
Nice that you are all with me during the build

@Tim: Your Olympia look fantastic - I hope I can get any close with it with my ship

Today I spend my time converting the main mast accordint to the Interpretation of the german library picture and the chinese cross-section drawing. I made new beams with Evergreen plastic rod. The connection of the lower and upper topmast was done with thin leadfoil. The etched shoulder rest of the machine cannon gave me Problems - two of them flipped away from the microtweezers never to be seen again. After that I decided to use a solid rod bended in shape. These are the results:


Detail pic of the top Outlook section:


To be continued...
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 01:21 PM GMT+7

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Nice work, she is shaping up nicely.

The one thing I hate about those wooden deck add-ons is how their thickness affects items that go on the deck and can make them look un-natural.


I know what you mean! Those wood decks look great, but they do stand a little proud of the molded details. I usually just live with it, although sometimes I add a little plastic lip around the edges to hide the different levels, like in my Olympia build:


It is a pain, though, and once the rails are on the difference isn't that much anyway.

And Thomas, I think your Blue Star deck looks just fine as is!
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Posted: Friday, November 17, 2017 - 08:26 AM GMT+7
Nice start Thomas, good job on the bits (bollards) that has set them about perfectly.

Cheers, Si
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Posted: Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 08:56 AM GMT+7
Nice work, she is shaping up nicely.

The one thing I hate about those wooden deck add-ons is how their thickness affects items that go on the deck and can make them look un-natural.
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Posted: Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 08:47 AM GMT+7
Thank you gentlemen for your interest - always nice to know there are some spectators for your work

Today I have a first update. I mated the two hull halves and the deck together. After this the deck was shaved even with the hull edges for a better fit for the later to apply wooden deck. This is how it Looks so far:


As I dry-fitted the wooden deck I discovered that the sockets for the bollards (is this the right designation?) are flatter than the new wooden deck surface level - the biggest disadvantage of prefinished wooden decks. Therefore I decided to shave off the original sockets and make new, slightly higher ones to better fit the new Surface and give a better appereance. This is the result:


For the frontal gun barbette I do have an etched access hatch. I didn´t wanted to just glue it on top of the barbette so I carefully made an opening for it and slightly thinned the barbette wall around the entrance for a better scale thickness:


Tonight I replaced the frontal mast searchlight post (is this the right designation?!) with an brass ring from albion alloys, cutted in the correct length - I think this looks much better then the thicker plastic ones from the kit:


Thats it for tonight!

Cheers
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 09:12 PM GMT+7
following along with interest, Thomas
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 06:39 PM GMT+7
Certainly going to follow this build Thomas.

Changing layouts is a problem I have found in the past when researching ships, they modified quite often, sometimes to dramatic effect, so good luck with your choice of period.

cheers

Michael
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 11:24 AM GMT+7
Looks like a great project...looking forward to following along while you build!
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Posted: Monday, November 13, 2017 - 09:54 AM GMT+7
Very interesting build Thomas,

Will be along for the ride, really love ships of this period.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 02:19 AM GMT+7
Hello Tim,

yes I think the first three pictures come from a chinese movie but the last two are from the rebuilt museum ship. I do have another picture presumably of the chinese admiral together with its (british?) advisor in the captains cabin:
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Posted: Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 02:09 AM GMT+7
Thomas,

This looks to be a fun and unusual project, I look forward to watching you progress with it. Those are some great crew pictures in your post - they are apparently from a movie?
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Posted: Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 01:29 AM GMT+7
I took a look at different western and chinese websites and found the ship in different outfits: for example the gun barbettes are shown in white, black, Grey or yellow. The masts are also shown in different type of construction, sometimes with longer upper masts and more yardarms.

The height of the masts seems to have been indeed more higher than at the model itself. Here is a drawing of the ship from a contemporary library´s encyclopedia:


These pictures from chinese websites are also looking promising and will be helpful also with the rigging as bronco don´t give you any adequate rigging plan as Hasegawa is doing:



I will keep my efforts closely with these chinese illustrations as they seem to be most spot on with the real ship. There is also a book "the Chinese steam Navy" which I will buy eventually for my project. We will see.

I was also happy to catch some pictures of the sailor´s uniforms for this time, this took me some time. Here are some officers:



lower ranks:




and the Hotchkiss 37 mm cannon revolver:


these are my building guidelines so far. If some of you could contribute some facts for this ships you are welcome.
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Posted: Sunday, November 12, 2017 - 01:09 AM GMT+7
Ahoy,

time for me for a new shipbuild - this time it is the Imperial chinese flagship Dingyuen (or 定远 for our chinese native speakers). The ship was ordered to and built by german VULKAN shipyard because England refused to build for the chineses in these times. The ship and her sister ship Zhenyuen of the same class were regarded as one of the most modern battleship of their time - at least even compared to german and english ships of this class. However during the governments loss of interest in its Navy (outstanding payments, no Money for exercises, scarce and wet ammunition) and growing corruption the morale of the branch dropped accordingly. Therefore the Chinese Navy had a dramatic defeat during its Engagement with the Imperial Japanese Navy at the battle of Yalu river. The Dingyuen was hit more then 200 times and was able to escape for a time but was later hit again by a torpedo and was scuttled by its own crew. So far the historical background.

I do have Bronco´s kit in 1:350 scale which do look very nice. There is even a small PE-set within for the railings and some stairs and a decal set with two different Imperial Chinese flags.


Additionally I do have a photoetched set and very nice (but expensive) wooden deck set by Blue Star and a turned barrel set by Orange Hobby.




Well thats it - let it begin