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Z10 Hans Lody May 1941
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Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2016 - 08:51 AM GMT+7
Having finished HMS Cossack time for another Bismarck chase destroyer, Had the Zvezda Z17 in the stash, there is no dedicated after market, but the kit is not bad at all, so left overs will fill the gaps.

The Scheme comes from German naval Camouflage 1942-45 by Eric Leon & John Asmussen.



The second picture down.

The Kit.



The sprues.



The sprue with the detail parts.



The single 20mm, not bad for a one piece IM part.



The barrels for the 37's and the main armament.



Hope to start cutting plastic tomorrow.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Saturday, July 02, 2016 - 09:02 AM GMT+7
Watching your build Si, this ship is a nice build shame no one does an AM set for it.
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 06:16 AM GMT+7
Hi Si,

I could have guessed it was you when I saw a new topic...don't know why

I'll be in here as well - of course! Looking forward to your way of approaching her. Should be some changes required once more, since the Hans Lody and the Diether von Roeder were different class ships - so similar in many aspects. I could not tell the differences right know, but there should be some.
And I do agree with Luciano - I have the kit in my stash, waiting for some aftermarket to show up. -has anybody bee able to confirm whether the new Revell kit is the same kit as this one?

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 10:46 AM GMT+7
Hi Simon,
I've devoted a fair amount of time studying the German destroyers over the years, and been disappointed that the is no decent type 34 or 34a kits out there. I once considered trying to make the conversion briefly, but there is a lot of work to do.

Although they generally look the same, there are some hefty differences between the type 34a and type 36. They only things they share really are armaments.

Type 36 had many hull changes to improve seaworthiness, and was longer than types 34 and 34a as well as having more beam.

To reduce topweight in the type 36, the funnels were changed drastically from the 34a. The clinker screens were reduced in size as well as the bridge structure too. There was also more sheer in the Foc'sle. All of the deck spaces holding armaments are of different shape.

English language books on the German destroyers aren't plentiful. The best I've found is M.J. Whitley's: Destroyer! German Destroyers in World War II. Sadly this book lacks a decent line drawing of type 36, though it's type 34 line drawing should be helpful for conversion. I got mine from The Book Depository

An in-German language source with some good close-up pictures and nice line drawings is: Vom Original zum Modell Die deutshen Zerstorer 1935-1945 by Koop and Schmolke can be found at Amazon.de

It's a paperback.

I don't understand why the model making companies have focused their efforts on the type 36. The entire class was sunk or scuttled in Narvik.

The type 34's served from beginning to end and wore some interesting schemes.

I hope this has been helpful,

Best Wishes,

Gaz
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Posted: Sunday, July 03, 2016 - 10:13 PM GMT+7
Looks like you an interesting challenge on your Si. I am looking forward to seeing develop.

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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 07:00 AM GMT+7
Hi Luciano,

It is but converting the kit from a Type 36' back to a 34 would make an AM set a bit of an issue.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 07:22 AM GMT+7
Count me in Si! Looks like a pile of fun right there!! Crack the whip and get the guys at the docks laying the keel!
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 07:26 AM GMT+7

Quoted Text



And I do agree with Luciano - I have the kit in my stash, waiting for some aftermarket to show up. -has anybody bee able to confirm whether the new Revell kit is the same kit as this one?

Cheers,
Jan



Jan, looking at sprue shots it is the Zvezda kit reboxed, that being said, now Revell have boxed it we may get some AM which will mean I'll have to get another one as I've already built the Zvezda one.


Quoted Text


Hi Luciano,

It is but converting the kit from a Type 36' back to a 34 would make an AM set a bit of an issue.

Cheers

Si



OK understand now that you're converting him but you got your work cut out with the conversion making a 34 out of a 36.
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 07:43 AM GMT+7
Hi Jan,

You know me, I never take the easy route.

The type 1934s were 10ft shorter., had 5" guns and there were other differences to the superstructure, funnels and masts. (Some parts are scroungable from left overs from the Trumpy kits, certainly the 5" guns, and maybe some other bits)

I will post the hull assembly shortly, I next have to do the cut and shunt, as I have no scale drawings it will be working from photographs.

This time I could have bitten off more than I can chew.

Wish me luck

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 07:50 AM GMT+7
Blimey, can' keep up with you guys at the moment.

Thanks Gary,

I am not promising a totally accurate '34, but something that a lot looks more like a '34 than a '36. The length I will correct, the beam I am going to live with, scales out at less than 2mm.

Any comments along the way will be welcome.

Thanks for looking in.

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 07:56 AM GMT+7
Thanks Michael,

Scary, but I fancied an '34, and this seemed the "easiest" starting point. (easiest is relative)

Will glad of the support along the way... This could go badly wrong or not

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 07:57 AM GMT+7
Hi Todd,

Already done, just didn't have time to post last evening.

will get to that shortly.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 08:03 AM GMT+7
Si you do know there is an easier option even if a bit more expensive in the form of the resin Iron shipwrights Type 34A.
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 08:03 AM GMT+7
Hi again Luciano,

You said it mate! but it's the only game in town, apart from some ancient and difficult to obtain reason. As I have said will be closer to looks a lot morelike a '34 than '36 than 100% accurate.

As you can see from one completed and one ongoing build hacking hulls about is my thing at the moment, I will get over it, I hope.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 08:58 AM GMT+7
Yesterday's progress.

Having decided that I am going "overlook" the slight difference in beam, I thought the easy way to handle the shortening of the hull was to make a rigid structure and cut that up, rather risk deforming floppy bits.

The start, one interesting design feature that worked well, was that you can slot the stiffening in after going the halves together.

Stage one.



Stage two, the lower stern section in place.



stage 3 all the bulkheads in.



The bulkhead below the break in the fo'c's'le out of the box.



In place, with the decks, scrap etch doors fitted and the ladders removed and filled.



same thing from above.



Asymetric prop shafts, don't know if this is right, but I am going to live with it.



Coat of primer, shows the current issues, and easy for marking the cuts.



next the scary bit.



Razor saw at the ready.

more soon.

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 09:25 AM GMT+7
Simon,
I'm impressed with what you're attempting, and will be paying close attention.

Gaz
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 09:35 AM GMT+7
Thanks Gaz,

Any comments would be welcome.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 10:46 AM GMT+7
The first cut is always the hardest! Looks like you have things well in hand so far Si! Good luck playing butcher!
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Posted: Monday, July 04, 2016 - 06:10 PM GMT+7
Looks like some fun ahead for you Si. Watching with interest.....Cheers mark
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 - 07:16 AM GMT+7
Hi Luciano,

Replying properly to your last post, I had the ISW Hesperus, and Hunt, I hate to say this of any manufacturer, but no way would I buy one of their kits again.

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Si
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 - 07:21 AM GMT+7
Thanks for that Todd,

Got to work out where the cuts go, that is going to be the tricky bit.

Time to find slide rule and mitre box

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 - 07:30 AM GMT+7
Thanks Mark,

Appreciate the support, going to be interesting to say the least.

Next build on the destroyer slip is going to be straight forward.... Maybe

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 - 04:10 PM GMT+7
Wow Si - that's really impressive!! I'd say that's your most ambitious approach yet!! Really looking forward to your build log!!

I used to know all those details about the different destroyer classes a lot better as a young boy, memorized them like other boys memorized details about soccer players or the like - but that's some 25 years ago. Without a closer look at my references I would not have been able to tell all the differences as Gaz did, but what he said sounds pretty familiar... I'm afraid I can't be of too much help for you, assuming your normal pace. I have some good references that I could make some copies of, but they're at my other homeplace that I won't see before the first weekend in August. If it's still helpful for you then, I can see what drawings I can find...

For the time being, you'll get all my mental support and I'll be certainly following and trying to keep up your motivation!

Great project, - I remember that the Hans Lody, as one of the few war survivors - was one of my favorites as a boy...

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 - 06:18 AM GMT+7
Hi Jan,

Really appreciate the offer, I am scurrying through my references, trying to work out where to cut the hull.

Would appreciate a bit more guidance if you do have some drawings you can scan I would be very grateful. I can wait, as real life is going to get in the way big time over the next few weeks.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 - 04:52 PM GMT+7
Hi Si, I should find something helpful for you, in a glacier speed second - so early August I will be backt to my 'main library'...

Cheers,
Jan