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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 01:19 AM UTC
Loving your build. Great work!
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 07:50 PM UTC

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Looks awesome so far! I have to tell you I am jealous of your riggings skills, as I am off all sailing ship builders. I just don't have what it takes to do it.



Thanks, Rory. Doing the rigging, well, it's a love-hate relationship. And Heller's instructions aren't always crystal clear!!
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Posted: Monday, February 04, 2019 - 04:42 AM UTC
Looks awesome so far! I have to tell you I am jealous of your riggings skills, as I am off all sailing ship builders. I just don't have what it takes to do it.
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 09:26 PM UTC

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Timothy,

Nice work. I had to Goggle it as I did not know what a Burton Pendant is. But now I know, Thanks.

Mark



Hi Mark,

They're also known as "pendants of tackle". When I was doing some early research on this vessel, one of the references I read about these pendants, came across as "All hail the mighty pendants!!"

In the instructions, Heller lists the lengths of each leg, so it takes the guess work out of how long to make each one. The close-up photos above are of the pendants around the mainmast; there is another pendant on the main mast at the topsail level, and the foremast is the same way. The mizzen mast only has a pendant at the mizzen cap.

Tim
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 01:27 PM UTC
Timothy,

Nice work. I had to Goggle it as I did not know what a Burton Pendant is. But now I know, Thanks.

Mark
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Posted: Sunday, February 03, 2019 - 06:17 AM UTC
Looklooklooklook!! I installed the burton pendants. According to Longridge, the pendants are installed before the shrouds are put in place...but since the shrouds are already in place, I've put the pendants on top of the shrouds, but underneath the stays.

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A couple of close-ups:

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And good luck to your team in the Super Bowl!!
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2019 - 03:31 AM UTC
It's a footrope, or, as listed in Longridge & McVay's books, a horse. Putting the knots in this thread was actually pretty easy, compared to some of the other footropes I've installed.
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2019 - 01:40 PM UTC
Timothy,

In the second picture, what is the black line attached to the boom for, between the boom driver and the end of the boom?

Mark
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2019 - 07:11 AM UTC
Jan and Tim: thank you for you kind words & encouragement!! Yes Jan, I think I see a glimmer of light way, way, way down that tunnel!!

So in this installment, I got the rigging on the horn and boom completed. As always, there is discrepancies between what Heller instructs, and what is in my reference material. So first, a picture with the nomenclature of the rigging:

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Now, according to Longridge, the guy pendants are belayed to cleats on the taffrail. Well, Heller doesn't have a part called the taffrail, but Longridge has a good view of those cleats on the taffrail. The first picture is the taffrail on my model; the second is from Longridge's book.

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(Whoops! It looks like my editing to show the taffrail on the model didn't work - the taffrail is that part of the stern piece that butts up against the knees & signal flag boxes).

The rest of the pictures are just detailed pics of the rigging:

Port topping lift rigging detail:

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The peak halyard belayed to the deck cleat:

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The throat halyard. This is located at the end of the horn closest to the mast:

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This is the throat halyard belayed to the bitts (left thread), and to the right is the starboard topping lift belayed to the circular fife rail:

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One of the hazards of all this work, is you might bump into something that shouldn't be bumped in to! This is the case with the following picture - I was trying to belay the peak halyard to the deck cleat, but my either my tweezers or my arm bumped into the starboard vang pendant, which loosened the knot that holds the block in place. I'm not sure, right now, if I'm going to try and repair it, or let it go and hope for the best:

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And finally, just a picture of the blocks that are on the end of the horn. There's a total of 5 blocks here - 1 for the ensign halyard, the other 4 for yardarm braces. On those braces, the topgallant yard braces start on the yardarms, come down to the blocks and get belayed...somewhere. The top yard braces start on the end of the horn, go up to blocks on the yardarm, then come back down to the remaining 2 blocks, and then on to their belay point. It's gonna get crowded out there!

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So I guess the next steps will be to continue thinking about what to do about the sails, and either 1) install the mizzen yardarms, or 2) complete the construction of all the yardarms, and then install them in one go. Oh, and of course, more touch-up painting!!

Many thanks for all who take a look. As always, if you have any questions, feel free to ask!!

Tim
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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2019 - 10:00 AM UTC

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besides the little joking about the Admiral's cabin - fantastic job. As was said, your dedication and endurance with this build is awesome, and you're building this tricky kit with it's all but good instructions into a jewel, overcoming a myriad of troubles I would likely have given up about.

Great job and you should see some light at the end of the tunnel by now...

Cheers,
Jan



I agree completely - hats off to your fantastic work!
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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2019 - 09:57 AM UTC
Tim,

I know I was absent for a while and missed part of you progress - but, besides the little joking about the Admiral's cabin - fantastic job. As was said, your dedication and endurance with this build is awesome, and you're building this tricky kit with it's all but good instructions into a jewel, overcoming a myriad of troubles I would likely have given up about.

Great job and you should see some light at the end of the tunnel by now...

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, January 14, 2019 - 04:36 PM UTC

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@Tim R. - it just dawned on me, what with all the windows on the stern piece, you could probably put Lord Nelson & Lady Hamilton in there, playing ( a-hem) paddycake.



If you do go that route, be sure to get a good angle on the stern!





OK, thanks for that!!!!!!
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Posted: Monday, January 14, 2019 - 03:22 PM UTC

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@Tim R. - it just dawned on me, what with all the windows on the stern piece, you could probably put Lord Nelson & Lady Hamilton in there, playing ( a-hem) paddycake.



If you do go that route, be sure to get a good angle on the stern!


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Posted: Monday, January 14, 2019 - 03:07 PM UTC
@Tim R. - it just dawned on me, what with all the windows on the stern piece, you could probably put Lord Nelson & Lady Hamilton in there, playing ( a-hem) paddycake.
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Posted: Monday, January 14, 2019 - 02:19 PM UTC
Thanks, Tim.

Would you believe that stern piece needs more painting?
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Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2019 - 05:32 AM UTC
Wow, looking at that stern:
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the little USS Constellation I'm working on at the moment seems so simple in comparison...!">
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2019 - 03:29 PM UTC

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Tim,

With the miles of rope on a sailing vessel, I can only assume that some of the riches people during the age of sail where the rope makers.

Mark



Followed by the sail makers!!!

Tim
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Posted: Friday, January 04, 2019 - 12:47 AM UTC
Tim,

With the miles of rope on a sailing vessel, I can only assume that some of the riches people during the age of sail where the rope makers.

Mark
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Posted: Thursday, January 03, 2019 - 11:57 AM UTC

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Timothy,

Nice job getting the rigging in place. It has to be tough getting those lines tied down in places that have to be hard to reach.

Mark



Thanks, Mark. And things will probably get tougher, as I add more rigging, in more hard-to-reach places! But as much as this thing is a pain in the patoot, I'm enjoying doing the build.

Overall, it's time that I start to seriously think about the sails...about 50 percent (maybe 51) of the rigging relates to the sails - sheet lines, clew lines, bunt lines. About the only rigging I can add without the sails in place are the yardarm lifts and the yardarm braces.

Cheers!!

Tim
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Posted: Thursday, January 03, 2019 - 02:27 AM UTC
Timothy,

Nice job getting the rigging in place. It has to be tough getting those lines tied down in places that have to be hard to reach.

Mark
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Posted: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 01:53 PM UTC

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Timmy you dedication to completing this ship is incredible!



Thanks, Russell. To paraphrase from a movie: "Some day this build is gonna end!"

In the latest installment, I cemented the spanker boom to the mizzen mast, and I installed the blocks to their respective eyebolts, located at the very end of the deck (Longridge calls it the taffrail). Like I said in a previous post, it's best to install these blocks before the installation of the knees & signal flag boxes - I hope the pictures below explain that.

So the first picture is of the previously installed blocks to the eyebolts, located around the mizzen mast. Sorry for it being out of focus, but I can't always tell what the camera is focusing on, in macro mode.

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This next pic is just a pair of blocks that make-up some of the rigging on the boom. I wanted them to be about the same length, as they pass over the stern:

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Here's what the vang pendants will look like (that's the rigging in the up-and-down direction in the picture):

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And this is some rigging for the horn (that is out of focus!)

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So these next photos highlight a few problems with the overall fit of the hull, deck, and stern piece. The first picture shows how tight the distance is, between the innermost eyebolt and the signal flag box. The black thread that you see, is there as a sort of "fish line", so that when I do put the actual piece of rigging in, I can glue it to the fish line, and pull it through the eyebolt:

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The next two photos sort of go together - the first one shows the gap between the deck and the stern piece, and the second one shows the mis-alignment between the stern piece, the hull, and the knees...this is exhibited by how close the left-hand eyebolt is to the knee, compared to how the right-hand eyebolt has a tad more space between it and the right hand knee.

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Again, thanks for taking the time to look things over! And how about them Buckeyes?! Things got a little tense there in the 4th quarter, but it all turned out for the good. Go Bucks!!!
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2018 - 10:15 PM UTC
Timmy you dedication to completing this ship is incredible!
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2018 - 02:59 PM UTC
Thanks, Mark. Your comment made me go back and look at my post, and I see that the last photo is the wrong photo! Plus I noticed another error that needs correcting...so thanks for making look!!

In other news, I spent today preparing the blocks that are attached to the eyebolts on the deck around the mizzen mast...here's a good construction tip: put those blocks in place before adding the mizzen mast, and the other deck components - you'll save yourself a bit of frustration later!! Next steps are to add the blocks that attach to the eyebolts near the signal flag boxes on the fantail, and figure out all that rigging.

Thanks all for stopping by!! (BTW, I'm not a Gator fan, but anybody who can destroy Michigan like that, I'll say hooray!!)
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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2018 - 06:50 AM UTC
Nice.
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Posted: Friday, December 28, 2018 - 06:20 AM UTC
Well, I see that my photos on cubeupload are appearing again (yea!!); of course, I find this out right after I just uploaded some pics to imgur.com (where the following pics are currently hosted).

So the first pic is of the mizzen top yard, (or, the middle yard), showing the vertical strings I attached, which will become the stirrups for the horses (or footropes):

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And here's everything glued-up. I used Elmer's white glue to strengthen & connect everything.


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And finally, a close-up of how the horses cross each other, as they pass the mast.

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I glued what is called the "mizzen mast horn" in place a while back...and I was looking at how the rigging is done, concerning the top yard lift, and some other rigging that connects around the base of the mizzenmast. I've decided to start to install some of that rigging now, before I glue the spanker boom into place, only because by doing it now, I can give myself a little bit of room to work with, without fear of knocking something off. And before I started this post, I was getting ready to install the blocks that are involved in line A31 (which is the aforementioned top yard lift), but after preparing one of the blocks, I saw that I used the wrong size block. But it's a blessing in disguise, as in looking at the instructions, this "m" size block is attached to an eyebolt in the deck, and not to the fife collar around the mast. Good thing I looked!!

Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas, and will have a Happy New Year, too! And remember: don't drink & drive your horse!

Cheers,

Tim