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Build blog for Heller's HMS Victory
Removed by original poster on 09/18/17 - 10:44:40 (GMT).
timmyp
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 - 05:46 AM GMT+7
timmyp
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 - 05:46 AM GMT+7
OK, I got it figgered out how to get the image itself pasted into the blog, instead of just the link. Woo-hoo!!
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Posted: Monday, September 18, 2017 - 03:51 PM GMT+7
Hi Tim!

Yes, I was one of those having a look but not commenting - waiting for you to settle the pic hosting issues, and since I'm not at all familiar with the one you choose I had nothing meaningful to contribute.

Glad you got things settled, and I'm looking forward to some impressions of your HMS Victory, how she's looking these days!!

Talking about real life issues, well, all too familiar with that. That'S why I've been pretty quiet over the last weeks (and some more to come), new job (or 'tour') in a different place with moving and all of that, as is custom for military folks every few years or so...

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 02:21 AM GMT+7
Hi Jan,

Thanks for your post! Not much to show on Victory at this time - seems like I just can't settle myself long enough to work on her. But I do see light at the end of the tunnel!

So far as the image hosting site, I decided on the cubeupload.com site, as currently, it's free (thought they do ask for donations), and it wasn't encumbered with a lot of do's and don'ts on their Terms of Service (which is a very short document). They have a nice FAQ and blog page, should you have any questions.

I know the feeling of ending a tour in one place, and moving on to the next. Did it 3 or 4 times when I was employed by the army. Where is your next tour at?

write when you can.

Tim

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Posted: Thursday, September 21, 2017 - 11:37 AM GMT+7
I think this is the last image I tried to paste here, before PB went haywire:

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Posted: Friday, October 13, 2017 - 07:15 AM GMT+7
So, while I'm not doing a whole lot on Victory (besides from painting the blocks, and using my airbrush kit to paint the masts), I've been puzzling about the block placement that is indicated in step 19B:



As you can see, it's rather vague about the placement of blocks m7, m9, and m14. Oh, but look! There's an arrow from block m14 pointing us in the direction of step 20G, which shows this:



So now, we can figure out that thread A138 begins attached to the fore yard, goes through m14, back around through p78, and then terminates according to step 17 (it terminates on the left-hand side of the fore fife rail). Oh, but wait, it still shows blocks m7 and m9 just sort of "hanging" in space. But lo and behold, there's another "flag" that shows thread A138 is also shown in steps 9, 30, and 19B. So taking a look at step 30:



we see that blocks m14, m9, and m7 all are attached to the lower corner of the foresail!

So to diagram all this out, I made my own pictures to describe where everything goes:

This first drawing was to get thread A15 positioned.



The second drawing focuses on blocks m7, m9, and m14, as well as thread A138:




And finally, in a bit of a side view of things, a drawing of where everything actually goes:



And the beauty of it all, it only took me about an hour to figure out this construction and do those drawings!
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Posted: Monday, November 06, 2017 - 06:48 AM GMT+7
So, while I'm waiting for some more yellow paint to arrive in the mail, and continuing to paint the "p" blocks, I've been looking ahead to putting in the main stay. In looking at various pictures of a finished model of Victory, I've seen that the main stay isn't merely looped around the bowsprit and back around. In fact, it's sort of a 2-part process: there's the main stay, and then there's the main stay collar, which is the part that is looped around the bowsprit. Then, the main stay is attached to the main stay collar. Here's what C. Nepean Longridge has to say about it:
"The main stay collar is not the same thing as the collar of the main stay. The former is a 14-in.four-stranded cable-laid rope, wormed, parceled and served throughout its length. An eye is worked in one end. The other end is passed through a hole made in the gangboard grating, through the hole in the starboard knight head, through a hole in the gammoning knee, then up through the port knight head, through the grating and then through the eye at its other end. It is then turned down and seized in three places to its other part. In the upper bight so formed a 26-in. open heart is seized. The two hearts are then lashed together with a 4-in lashing (See Fig. 140, Plate 73 and Plan NO. 6)."

At first, I thought the hole in the gammoning knee was a hole I found that is just below the bowsprit; looking at the standing rigging plan in C. Nepean's book, I see that the main stay collar is actually looped much lower, that is, about as low as the bottom side of the gammoning. Here's a picture of the rigging plan, with the stay collar outlined in red:



As you can see, the main stay collar is looped quite low. Initially, I thought the hole that the main stay collar went through was higher - as you can see in this picture, I've put a short length of white thread through a hole that I thought was the correct hole (as denoted by the arrow). This particular hole is just below the bowsprit, but above part 358, the "section of flooring":



However, on closer examination, I found that there is a hole down where the gammoning is - it's very difficult to see, once all the bowsprit pieces are put in, but in this picture, I've stuck a toothpick in the hole I found (again, denoted by the red arrows, with some text pointing out the thread for the collar):



At this point, the thread is merely run through the knight's head, I haven't properly placed it through the gangplank grating.

Here is a picture of the illustration in C. Nepean's book, showing how the collar is placed around the open heart and lashed together:



So for the open heart, I've glued a couple pieces of sheet plastic together, with the intent to fabricate the heart. I figure the final size of the heart will be about a quarter inch, which should be pretty much to scale for this model.

I also thought it would be a good idea to start making up the lower shrouds and ratlines for the main mast, but the 1 mm thread I was using looks to be too big. In checking a spreadsheet I have for approximate correct size of the various rigging, it shows that some 0.89 mm thread is correct; I've ordered up some 0.73 mm thread from castyouranchorhobby.com, which should be arriving in the next week or so. My spreadsheet also shows that the main stay collar should be 1.13 mm in diameter, and the main stay itself should 1.54 mm. For my purposes here, both the stay and the stay collar will be made of 1.0 mm diameter thread.

So, bottom line, as you construct the bowsprit, it would be a really good idea to at least install a length of thread (I think maybe 10 or 12 inches would be about right) through that hole in the gammoning knee, and just let it hang there until it's time to install the main stay. This would be in step 11; install the thread before you add parts 350 and 349, which are the port and starboard curves, respectively.
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Posted: Thursday, November 09, 2017 - 11:33 AM GMT+7
So I finished creating the open heart for the stay collar, and here's a couple pictures of when I got it finished. It's a little smaller than I had wanted, but at this scale, I don't think any one is going to notice:






I put a groove in the outside edge of the heart, to help seat the thread that goes around it:



This is a picture of after I wound black sewing thread around the heart. I started in the middle of the heart and worked toward the port side; I just looped the thread around and around, using some clear nail polish to help hold things in place (good stuff to use - it holds quite well, and doesn't dry as soon as it's exposed to air, so you have a bit of working time with it). For the starboard side of the collar, I made a series of overhand knots instead of a bunch of loops; this worked out well until the last knot I put in, which caused all the other knots to slip off the collar and get all tangled on the collar itself. This step (covering everything with thread)was done to be both functional (further securing the collar to the heart) and historically correct:



And lastly, a picture of the top and bottom sides of the collar wrapped around its heart, after I applied some black paint to cover all the white plastic of the heart. If it looks shiny, it's because I took the pictures right after applying the paint:





Now, you might be wondering why there's this sudden interest in this piece of rigging. I'm close to getting ready to install the masts, and I've been reading up about the main stay, in particular, how it goes over the mast top, and whether or not it goes over or under the shrouds/ratlines (it goes over the shrouds). So rather than wait until the masts are in, and having a little bit less room to work with, I decided to go ahead and put this collar in place. I made another open heart last night, for the other stay that goes around the main mast. I'll probably do some work tomorrow to get all that installed.

These details aren't anything you'd find in Heller's instructions, so if they're of use to anybody, I hope my ramblings make some sense.

As always, thanks for taking the time to look.
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Posted: Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 01:09 PM GMT+7
My cup runneth over:

Ohio State won.

My rigging thread from Cast Your Anchor Hobbies arrived.

The 2 jars of yellow paint I ordered from Amazon arrived Thursday (it only took two and a half weeks). (And only after I bought 4 jars at a hobby shop that's about half way across the county).

So the airbrush painting of the remaining masts is proceeding apace, I think another coat or two on the main mast, and everything should be in order. I've also finished painting the hammocks. I found that a color called "Aged concrete" has a good canvas color to it. And in an effort to conserve that little bit of paint, I did some dry brushing on the hammocks with Tamiya's flat desert yellow, followed by an ink pen to try to give some shadow between the hammocks, and a bit of stippling, to try and give them some character. Next step will be to make some more of the those open hearts, so I can install the fore stay preventer collars.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 - 01:50 PM GMT+7
Here's a pic of the hammocks. I've noticed that on the hammocks I already painted & installed, well, you really can't tell any painting was done to them, as the netting pretty much obscures any detailing.
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Posted: Saturday, December 09, 2017 - 08:30 AM GMT+7
Hi Tim,

steady progress and amazing work!! The fews of the foc'sle with all the rigging and blocks made me awe - keep up your spirit!!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 - 06:51 AM GMT+7
Thanks, Jan! So good to hear from you!

I'm glad you like the views of all the rigging - it's not completed yet, as there's still lots of other stuff that needs to be completed first. But it does look pretty cool, doesn't it?

The latest news: still working on the forestay preventer collars - I've got one collar/heart unit wrapped around the bowsprit, and I'm working on the other collar/heart unit (off the model, it's a lot easier that way). I also completed painting the fore and mainmast components, and the next step will be to paint the iron bands on the lower parts of the mast. I'm also getting ready to start stringing the ratlines for the mainmast. I also assembled and painted the longboats, but have not put them in place.

Lastly, I see that there's been over 45,000 views on my blog, in just a little over 2 years. Thank you everyone for taking a look!