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Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2018 - 12:49 AM UTC
Ahoy Tim

What a superb build indeed.

Well done!

I loved your build story I really learnt a lot from it.

Cheers


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Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2018 - 11:09 PM UTC
Hi Tim!

Just joining in time to see you finishing this little jewel! What a fantastic build you did, and a great build log, that was absolutely fun to watch the entire time.

Congratulations on finishing your build and thanks for sharing this wonderful build log. It's always amazing to watch you bringing plastic to life!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2018 - 09:13 PM UTC
Thanks, Bob. Despite being bogged down a time or two with what I really had intended to be a quick build, the voyage with this old classic has been great fun!

Here are some pics of the completed junk showing the activity on deck:

Pyro’s 1966 model kit is still quite good in its own right, but I really lucked out with the Preiser model railroad figures – nothing brings a model to life like people!


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Posted: Saturday, April 21, 2018 - 12:50 AM UTC
Tim,

Probably on of the best, if not the best, build log I have read on the site.... and that includes armor which is my prime interest. I do love the combination of your modeling how to and the how and why of the ship itself. Definitely a working ship, and a build to be proud of.

Thanks for the voyage...
Bob
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2018 - 11:17 PM UTC
As for the junk, the rudder cables and a few minor adjustments to the rigging basically finish things up!

Here she is on the display shelf – I’ll post some better pictures soon.
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2018 - 11:17 PM UTC

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Tim,
The rudder cables look great. Will they extend through the cabin as well? You're in the home stretch now. It's really coming together.

A side note question for you. I'm still plugging away on my felucca build. I've been painting the hull. I used Tamiya rattle can dark yellow as the base coat and various brand acrylics. Painting all the scroll work on the rails has been kicking my butt. I'm about ready to do the oil wash to bring out the wood grain and weather the boat. My question concerns the Tamiya paint. The can calls it Acrylic Enamel paint. I was going to use paint thinner to dilute the oil paint for the wash. Will the oil wash attack the Tamiya paint?

Thanks for any info you might have and keep it up. You're teaching this old dog some new tricks.
John



Hi John,

You are right, the rudder cables would have extended up through the cabin to connect with the reels topside, but I didn’t show this so as not to disrupt the action in there... perhaps the crew secured the cables to the cabin deck and at the reels and just tucked the slack lines out of the way when not in use?

I haven’t a clue about the Tamiya rattle can paints and oil wash; I’d spray some on a wreck model and try it out there before risking the felucca. Good luck with it.
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2018 - 09:38 AM UTC
Tim,
The rudder cables look great. Will they extend through the cabin as well? You're in the home stretch now. It's really coming together.

A side note question for you. I'm still plugging away on my felucca build. I've been painting the hull. I used Tamiya rattle can dark yellow as the base coat and various brand acrylics. Painting all the scroll work on the rails has been kicking my butt. I'm about ready to do the oil wash to bring out the wood grain and weather the boat. My question concerns the Tamiya paint. The can calls it Acrylic Enamel paint. I was going to use paint thinner to dilute the oil paint for the wash. Will the oil wash attack the Tamiya paint?

Thanks for any info you might have and keep it up. You're teaching this old dog some new tricks.
John
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2018 - 07:00 AM UTC
Having knocked it off while handling the model during subsequent construction (doh!) – I’ve now reattached the rudder.


The Chinese (who actually invented the centerline rudder when Europeans were still using side mounted steerboards) developed a wide variety of rudder design variations, but a common feature of Chinese rudders was their ability to be raised and lowered for adjustment while at sea. This was the purpose of the cables attached to each of them in the drawing below:


Some of the larger junks had cables from the rudder running all the way under the hull to winches at the bow (rudders 3, 4, and 6 above), and others had a simpler arrangement with only the “dule” (rudder adjusting cables) leading up to winches on deck aft. For my humble fishing junk, I opted for the latter with the natural fiber cables attached to the rudder and up through .059 inch grommets punched from .015 inch plastic sheet.


Amusingly, the Chinese referred to the stern of junks as the “pigu” (buttocks) of the ship.
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2018 - 07:36 AM UTC
Thanks guys – your kind comments are most appreciated!

Last was the “weisong”, or what we in the West would call the mizzen.

As with the larger sails, the sheet lines were tied first to the ends of the battens, and then secured to the rail. In this case the luff hauling parrel and halyard line ends were coiled on the mast and on the outside of the stern rail too.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 11:12 PM UTC
Hi Tim,

what the other guys said, outstanding build, the rigging looks great, and all the minutia of a working boat really bring it to life.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 05:35 PM UTC
Tim, you just keep raising the bar!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - 08:50 PM UTC
Tim,
The main mast looks great. The rigging looks spot on. You've really got the touch. It's really going to be a busy deck when you add the mizzen. I'm glad I went with the felucca on my build. It only has two masts. The Ertl Chinese Junk kit has 5 masts. I think I need much more practice before I tackle that. Keep the blog coming. I'm learning so much.
Thanks
John
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Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - 08:26 PM UTC
The rigging looks amazingly realistic and effective.
She is hard on the wind, and you can really feel the sails pulling, every sheet is taught! I love it
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Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - 11:16 AM UTC
Well I'm totally blown away by this build it is nothing short of outstanding. Some incredible modelling skills displayed there.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - 11:04 AM UTC
What an excellent job on such a "basic"kit. It's been great following this build, and your eye for detail is first rate.
Thank you very much for a great log.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - 10:12 AM UTC
After touching up the little shiny spots left by the super glue securing the rigging on the foresails, I installed the mainmast and its associated rigging.

The rig arrangements on the mainsails were virtually the same as the foresails.


The topping lift was tied off at the rail just abaft the mainmast...


...and the sheets were tied off at the poop deck rail next to the helmswoman. This time, instead of tying up the excess lines in a coil hung from the rail, I tied them off in a “hank” as with the halyard line on the side of the mainmast.

Next up: the mizzen.
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Posted: Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 10:32 PM UTC

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Tim,
Ok, I have an odd question that is a bit out in left field. Is there a way to save the entire Topic off as something like a PDF at one go? I have done some page by page, but that is a hassle. I could save the link, but after the PB image fiasco I don't really trust that for the long term.

This article, and your other one on the Pinta would be candidates as I found both informative, and full of excellent tips that can be used for a lot more than ships.

Thank you for both the journey and any possible answers....
Bob



Hi Bob,

I heard back from Armorama Managing Editor Carlos Martin – here’s his advice:


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The best I have found is using software like this: http://www.weenysoft.com/free-html-to-pdf-converter.html

And type the url of all the pages you want. As they are equal except for the page number, it should be quite straightforward.

As far as I know there is no way to show all messages of a thread without paging...



Good luck with it. If it doesn’t work for you, let me know and I’ll investigate further.




Thank you both for the information. Will give it a try and get back to you with the results....

You know, I don't know that I have seen a build that has been so interesting and amazing in a long time. I now know than I thought possible about the construction and rigging of Junks, as well about taking an old kit and making it into one that can compete with the most modern. Even without the captain's cabin this is an amazing build, details everywhere. The thing that is really nice is that they all fit, the make sense for the ship, its crew and the work it is engaged in.

Thank you for sharing.... Bob


UPDATE:
Tim,
Please give my thanks to Carlos for his suggestion, it works nicely. They even have another little program that will take the individual PDF files and merge them into one if you want.

It took me a whole 5 minutes to work through the process the first time, and it worked perfectly. Now I have your Pyro Pinta thread as both individual PDFs and as a merged file. What can I say? I sometimes get carried away.

Thank you both for your help, it is much appreciated.
Bob
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Posted: Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 09:19 PM UTC

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Tim,
Ok, I have an odd question that is a bit out in left field. Is there a way to save the entire Topic off as something like a PDF at one go? I have done some page by page, but that is a hassle. I could save the link, but after the PB image fiasco I don't really trust that for the long term.

This article, and your other one on the Pinta would be candidates as I found both informative, and full of excellent tips that can be used for a lot more than ships.

Thank you for both the journey and any possible answers....
Bob



Hi Bob,

I heard back from Armorama Managing Editor Carlos Martin – here’s his advice:


Quoted Text

The best I have found is using software like this: http://www.weenysoft.com/free-html-to-pdf-converter.html

And type the url of all the pages you want. As they are equal except for the page number, it should be quite straightforward.

As far as I know there is no way to show all messages of a thread without paging...



Good luck with it. If it doesn’t work for you, let me know and I’ll investigate further.

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Posted: Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 06:04 AM UTC
Thanks John.

Just a small update today; I had initially placed a coil of heavy thread under the winch near the anchors to represent natural fiber hawser.

Upon later inspection it seemed a little weak to hold those heavy anchors, so I added a pile of chain there as well.

It isn’t much and it is hard to see down in there, but the chain does add just a bit to the busy-ness on deck.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - 06:57 PM UTC
Excellent work Tim. Your eye for detail is amazing. I'm soaking this up like a sponge. Keep it coming.
John
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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - 05:44 PM UTC
Thanks guys. The rigging process is always when sailing ship models really start to come alive!

The sheets, attached to the outer ends of the battens to adjust the sail angle to the wind, came next.

Since they worked together I would have thought the sheets would have been attached to a single control line via a series of blocks and pulleys for handier use. Rigging diagrams usually show this arrangement, and old pictures of operating junks sometimes do as well – but they often show the lines tied off individually, too. I followed that seemingly awkward arrangement and tied the sheets off at the side rail next to the cook.

A coil of thread on the deck below the rail represents the excess line from the sheets.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - 12:45 PM UTC
Very nice Tim

Great to see the first mast in place, the rigging looks excellent, certainly seaman like.

Keep up the good work,

cheers

Si
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2018 - 04:46 PM UTC
Tim you definitely work magic on these kits!

I reckon the sailors of junks just went with what worked at the time and there was no hard n fast rule of rigging. So whatever you chose to do will be pretty amazing as always!
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2018 - 09:22 AM UTC
Hi John,

I know what you mean about references for junk’s rigging; the various drawings out there don’t seem to agree, and photos of real junks often show different rigs too. This drawing shows the basics:
The various sources I found seem to share these lines in common ...but old photos of working junks sometimes show even simpler rig with fewer pulleys and blocks on the topping lifts and sheets. That is the route I am taking with the model.

I have a Lindberg (ex-Pyro) Barbary Pirate felucca in my stash too – you should do that one!
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2018 - 03:25 AM UTC
Tim,
The foremast and sail look great. I appreciate you providing close-ups of the rigging. I haven't been able to find any detailed illustrations or rigging plans. I have the ERTL/IMAI kit of a Chinese Junk and the Lindberg Barbary Pirate felucca kit in the stash. I'm itching to try your techniques on one of them. Haven't decided which though. Anyway, keep your tutorials coming. I'm learning so much.
John