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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2018 - 06:12 AM UTC
Hi Tim,

what the other guys said, outstanding build, the rigging looks great, and all the minutia of a working boat really bring it to life.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2018 - 12:35 AM UTC
Tim, you just keep raising the bar!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 03:50 AM UTC
Tim,
The main mast looks great. The rigging looks spot on. You've really got the touch. It's really going to be a busy deck when you add the mizzen. I'm glad I went with the felucca on my build. It only has two masts. The Ertl Chinese Junk kit has 5 masts. I think I need much more practice before I tackle that. Keep the blog coming. I'm learning so much.
Thanks
John
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - 03:26 AM UTC
The rigging looks amazingly realistic and effective.
She is hard on the wind, and you can really feel the sails pulling, every sheet is taught! I love it
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Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - 06:16 PM UTC
Well I'm totally blown away by this build it is nothing short of outstanding. Some incredible modelling skills displayed there.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - 06:04 PM UTC
What an excellent job on such a "basic"kit. It's been great following this build, and your eye for detail is first rate.
Thank you very much for a great log.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - 05:12 PM UTC
After touching up the little shiny spots left by the super glue securing the rigging on the foresails, I installed the mainmast and its associated rigging.

The rig arrangements on the mainsails were virtually the same as the foresails.


The topping lift was tied off at the rail just abaft the mainmast...


...and the sheets were tied off at the poop deck rail next to the helmswoman. This time, instead of tying up the excess lines in a coil hung from the rail, I tied them off in a “hank” as with the halyard line on the side of the mainmast.

Next up: the mizzen.
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Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2018 - 05:32 AM UTC

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Tim,
Ok, I have an odd question that is a bit out in left field. Is there a way to save the entire Topic off as something like a PDF at one go? I have done some page by page, but that is a hassle. I could save the link, but after the PB image fiasco I don't really trust that for the long term.

This article, and your other one on the Pinta would be candidates as I found both informative, and full of excellent tips that can be used for a lot more than ships.

Thank you for both the journey and any possible answers....
Bob



Hi Bob,

I heard back from Armorama Managing Editor Carlos Martin – here’s his advice:


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The best I have found is using software like this: http://www.weenysoft.com/free-html-to-pdf-converter.html

And type the url of all the pages you want. As they are equal except for the page number, it should be quite straightforward.

As far as I know there is no way to show all messages of a thread without paging...



Good luck with it. If it doesn’t work for you, let me know and I’ll investigate further.




Thank you both for the information. Will give it a try and get back to you with the results....

You know, I don't know that I have seen a build that has been so interesting and amazing in a long time. I now know than I thought possible about the construction and rigging of Junks, as well about taking an old kit and making it into one that can compete with the most modern. Even without the captain's cabin this is an amazing build, details everywhere. The thing that is really nice is that they all fit, the make sense for the ship, its crew and the work it is engaged in.

Thank you for sharing.... Bob


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Tim,
Please give my thanks to Carlos for his suggestion, it works nicely. They even have another little program that will take the individual PDF files and merge them into one if you want.

It took me a whole 5 minutes to work through the process the first time, and it worked perfectly. Now I have your Pyro Pinta thread as both individual PDFs and as a merged file. What can I say? I sometimes get carried away.

Thank you both for your help, it is much appreciated.
Bob
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Posted: Sunday, April 15, 2018 - 04:19 AM UTC

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Tim,
Ok, I have an odd question that is a bit out in left field. Is there a way to save the entire Topic off as something like a PDF at one go? I have done some page by page, but that is a hassle. I could save the link, but after the PB image fiasco I don't really trust that for the long term.

This article, and your other one on the Pinta would be candidates as I found both informative, and full of excellent tips that can be used for a lot more than ships.

Thank you for both the journey and any possible answers....
Bob



Hi Bob,

I heard back from Armorama Managing Editor Carlos Martin – here’s his advice:


Quoted Text

The best I have found is using software like this: http://www.weenysoft.com/free-html-to-pdf-converter.html

And type the url of all the pages you want. As they are equal except for the page number, it should be quite straightforward.

As far as I know there is no way to show all messages of a thread without paging...



Good luck with it. If it doesn’t work for you, let me know and I’ll investigate further.

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Posted: Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 01:04 PM UTC
Thanks John.

Just a small update today; I had initially placed a coil of heavy thread under the winch near the anchors to represent natural fiber hawser.

Upon later inspection it seemed a little weak to hold those heavy anchors, so I added a pile of chain there as well.

It isn’t much and it is hard to see down in there, but the chain does add just a bit to the busy-ness on deck.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 01:57 AM UTC
Excellent work Tim. Your eye for detail is amazing. I'm soaking this up like a sponge. Keep it coming.
John
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Posted: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 12:44 AM UTC
Thanks guys. The rigging process is always when sailing ship models really start to come alive!

The sheets, attached to the outer ends of the battens to adjust the sail angle to the wind, came next.

Since they worked together I would have thought the sheets would have been attached to a single control line via a series of blocks and pulleys for handier use. Rigging diagrams usually show this arrangement, and old pictures of operating junks sometimes do as well – but they often show the lines tied off individually, too. I followed that seemingly awkward arrangement and tied the sheets off at the side rail next to the cook.

A coil of thread on the deck below the rail represents the excess line from the sheets.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - 07:45 PM UTC
Very nice Tim

Great to see the first mast in place, the rigging looks excellent, certainly seaman like.

Keep up the good work,

cheers

Si
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2018 - 11:46 PM UTC
Tim you definitely work magic on these kits!

I reckon the sailors of junks just went with what worked at the time and there was no hard n fast rule of rigging. So whatever you chose to do will be pretty amazing as always!
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2018 - 04:22 PM UTC
Hi John,

I know what you mean about references for junk’s rigging; the various drawings out there don’t seem to agree, and photos of real junks often show different rigs too. This drawing shows the basics:
The various sources I found seem to share these lines in common ...but old photos of working junks sometimes show even simpler rig with fewer pulleys and blocks on the topping lifts and sheets. That is the route I am taking with the model.

I have a Lindberg (ex-Pyro) Barbary Pirate felucca in my stash too – you should do that one!
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2018 - 10:25 AM UTC
Tim,
The foremast and sail look great. I appreciate you providing close-ups of the rigging. I haven't been able to find any detailed illustrations or rigging plans. I have the ERTL/IMAI kit of a Chinese Junk and the Lindberg Barbary Pirate felucca kit in the stash. I'm itching to try your techniques on one of them. Haven't decided which though. Anyway, keep your tutorials coming. I'm learning so much.
John
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2018 - 03:52 PM UTC
Next came the topping lifts (used to reef the battens in order to shorten sail). These were the “inverted V” shaped lines running from the bottom batten to the masthead and back down to what the instructions call the “midship rope guide” aft of the foremast. According to Van Tilburg’s Chinese Junks on the Pacific - Views from a Different Deck, these curved wood structures were known as “peace oxen” to the Chinese; their purpose was for tying down halyards and also to support the battens and sails when they were lowered from the mast.

The knots binding the topping lift lines at the Vs were concealed beneath round pulleys made from.039 inch discs punched from .010 inch plastic using a Waldron precision punch & die set.

I imagine the real pulleys would have been made of wood, so these were painted accordingly.
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2018 - 12:50 AM UTC
With the foremast in place, the next lines fitted were the zig-zag luff hauling parrels.

It isn’t visible in this photo, but the lower end disappearing under the awning was super glued to the mast with some loops of thread over the attachment point to suggest coiled line – another detail that’s hard to see unless you really look for it!
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Posted: Friday, April 06, 2018 - 01:22 AM UTC
Si and Russ, I agree about the little stuff – when I see a well made model, the things that stay with me tend to be the smaller, human details... so I always try to include some of these in my own builds when I can.

Mark, thank you! This build has dragged on much longer than usual even for me, but it is finally nearing the finish line. Now I don’t know if I can sustain “ fantasteriffic” level quality, but I’ll do my best!

Returning to the sails, I started the rigging process by adding the batten parrels. These were short lines affixed to the battens (yards) which allowed the sails to swing back and forth while keeping them loosely attached to the mast. For a bit of variety I used a tan polyester sewing thread which was a bit finer and darker in color than the thread used for the booms.

After securing eighteen of these to the three masts with dabs of super glue, I attached the foremast to the ship.

This deviated slightly from the kit design by following the traditional Chinese practice of angling the junk’s foremast forward.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 12:40 AM UTC
I thought you had finished the build, Tim, since it had been so long sinc ethe last update. So good to see you back at it!

The sails and ropework look fantasteriffic!

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Posted: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 11:13 PM UTC
What Si said, Tim.

All those little details draw the eye in and engage the viewer!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 06:50 AM UTC
very nice Tim,

All these little details really add depth.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 01:02 AM UTC
Thanks Guys, much appreciated!

Finishing up the hull, I added some hawser to go with the stowed anchors. Just for fun, I also attached a water jar to one of the winch posts (this time with a good ole square knot).

These details will be difficult to see once the red awning in the background is fitted over them and the foremast is in place, but it’s fun to leave little visual treats for those who take the time to look for them!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 03, 2018 - 12:16 AM UTC
Looks great Tim! The clove hitches add that extra bit of pop!

Nothing like a good clove hitch-we still use'm to lash down stuff on our trailer!
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Posted: Monday, April 02, 2018 - 05:26 AM UTC
Really like how the lashings turned out.... not the pristine look you would expect from them being molded in the kit, but very functional looking.

As impressive as many of the warship models are, this little build has a feel of being a functional, working vessel. The deck crew are all doing things that need to be done -- no comment on the ones in the cabin. For all of the exaggerations in the kit, this seems more "real" than many precision kits, mostly due to your little modifications and additions.

Not to mention just being a fun build....
Bob