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Prinz Eugen - May 1941
RussellE
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Posted: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 - 09:29 AM GMT+7

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Russell,

Amazing work on the upgrade to the boats. I don't know how you get stretched sprue to be so uniform, I either break it or it looks like a heart monitor.

Really enjoyed the comparison, you have brought them a long way.

Dave




Thank you very much for the kind words Dave. I'm afraid it's a bit of pot luck with me and stretched sprue: believe you me, there were a lot of, ahem, castaways


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Hi Ruuss,

great job modifying the boats, mate!! Not really blobs any longer...and yep, definitely nice job on the stretched sprue. I've given up trying some time ago, never got it to work. Yours looks perfect, and yes, definitely better than the first approach, the re-doing was really worth it!!

Your boats are really looking good now!!

Cheers,
Jan



Thank you very much, Jan I know how you feel about the stretch sprue: I try to avoid it whenever I can, but I felt the rubbing strakes were worth the effort... Chipping slowly away at those boats.


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Glad to see you found some time for the boats Russ. A great improvement. Getting closer

cheers
Michael



Thankyou very much Michael! Yes, hopefully this year I can finish the Prinz Fingers crossed!
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2017 - 07:32 PM GMT+7
Glad to see you found some time for the boats Russ. A great improvement. Getting closer

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2017 - 04:29 PM GMT+7
Hi Ruuss,

great job modifying the boats, mate!! Not really blobs any longer...and yep, definitely nice job on the stretched sprue. I've given up trying some time ago, never got it to work. Yours looks perfect, and yes, definitely better than the first approach, the re-doing was really worth it!!

Your boats are really looking good now!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Monday, June 19, 2017 - 06:12 AM GMT+7
Russell,

Amazing work on the upgrade to the boats. I don't know how you get stretched sprue to be so uniform, I either break it or it looks like a heart monitor.

Really enjoyed the comparison, you have brought them a long way.

Dave
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2017 - 11:57 PM GMT+7
Thanks Bernd

getting there

19th June update

I didn't like how 'chunky' the rubbing strakes looked that I did from sheet styrene, so I've redone them with stretched sprue. On the left the Admiral's boat and the Captain's on the right.

the workboats

and the motor pinaces. I wanted to show the modified version and the unmodified version so you can see how clunky the kit parts are.




So, there's only this one pinace to modify then I am going to fill the gaps and do a bit of sanding, before adding the photo etch...

Thanks for looking
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Posted: Sunday, June 18, 2017 - 05:49 AM GMT+7
Hello Russel, your prinz is most impressive !
Neat build with razor sharp details.

Cheers
Bernd
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 09:53 PM GMT+7
Thanks mate

yup, paint, the light at the end of the tunnel...
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Posted: Monday, June 05, 2017 - 04:33 PM GMT+7
Great work on your boats, Mate - I'm really keen to see how they look under a coat of paint!

To me, your detailing work looks just right and spot on!!

Slow and steady! Nice work and nice to see your Prinz grow, Russ!!

Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - 09:32 AM GMT+7
Thanks guys!

Real life has kept me away from the bench for a few days, but I hope to get back to work on those boats over the weekend
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Posted: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 - 05:12 AM GMT+7
Looks amazing Russell
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Posted: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 - 12:03 PM GMT+7
Russell,

Amazing work on those boats. They definitely look better with your efforts.

Dave
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Posted: Sunday, May 28, 2017 - 10:04 PM GMT+7
Thanks Gaz

getting there
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Posted: Sunday, May 28, 2017 - 08:36 PM GMT+7
Russ,
Great work on those boats!

Gaz
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Posted: Sunday, May 28, 2017 - 03:25 PM GMT+7
Thanks Guys!

just hope the rubbing strakes don't look to overscale...

May have to use brass wire for the smaller boats...

next stage: filling and sanding...
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Posted: Sunday, May 28, 2017 - 05:28 AM GMT+7
Hi Russ,

What Tim said, The boats re coming on great, keep up the good work mate.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Sunday, May 28, 2017 - 01:35 AM GMT+7
Russ,
Nice work with the boats. I like how you used the roofs to create the flooring in the cabin below. Now that's modeling!
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Posted: Sunday, May 28, 2017 - 12:01 AM GMT+7
update 28th May

ok, more weirdness from WEM. The bridge wing cabs from WEM have these huge supports on them.

and they would have you add them to your model

and yet, they were not on the actual ship. And so, here we are assembled with the supports removed. I think I need to paint the flooring darker grey though-hairy stick time!


Work started on the, ahem, workboats (Verkehrsboot). I cut the roof off the deck, then glued it on underneath to create the flooring of the cabin.

I also had to pack up the decks to bring them level with the hull sides with 0.25mm shims.


rubbing strakes and port holes added

And the admiral's boat (Chefboot)completed: I had to cut off the original roof to add the windows then add the roof back on. Rubbing strakes and portholes added too



3 more boats to go. Thanks for looking
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Posted: Friday, May 19, 2017 - 05:51 AM GMT+7
WEM used to be good gear which you could rely upon for reasonable accuracy.

Having gotten their Belfast PE set just before they folded, I was disappointed with the end-quality.

Trouble is, for the Tribal & Flower kits in 1/350, they're still the only game in town.

All the PE for the rest of my kits is from Eduard,but with a couple of MK 1 design bits chucked in for Queen Elizabeth & Warspite.
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Posted: Thursday, May 18, 2017 - 07:26 AM GMT+7
Hi Russ,

I think the term you are looking for is "Rubbing strake".

Like your plan for the boats, looking forward to seeing it come to fruition.

Cheers

Si
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Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 - 10:24 AM GMT+7

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Good call for the cranes Russ. I'll look later, but the differences in boom length that you identified are actually true to the real thing.
I'll explain - On page 33 of Koop's 'Heavy Cruisers of the Hipper Class' book, there is a line drawing of the cranes fitted to PE, and AH & Blucher. The latter pair were fitted with identical cranes with the shorter jib arm.
PE was fitted with a crane which had a longer horizontal arm at the end and with 2 x pulleys and a small light midway between the two.

I'd scan and email you a copy but I can't get my printer to save to the pc - whatever happened to 'dumb' printers eh?
These HP smart printers are too smart for their own good!



Hi Dave

I know what you mean-tech ain't what it used to be. It used to be useful, now, hm, I'm not so sure

That's okay though, 'cos I have the same reference book from Koop and Smolke and yes, the Prinz had different cranes to Hipper and Blucher, much longer in fact.

Trumpeter's offering however falls short of the actual length of Prinz's cranes according to the Kagero drawings and too short to reach the crane cradles. Weird huh? Here's where it gets even more weird. WEM's crane booms are the correct length, while being unbuildable, but their pulleys match Trumpeter's boom length. So you can't use the WEM pulleys on the WEM jib/boom (which you can't build anyway) but you can use them on Trumpeter's kit parts as per what I've done. Confused yet?


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Excellent build so far Russ!

Cheers!



Hi Mike

thank you-getting there!


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Russell,

Amazing work. I really enjoy watching your builds and how you go about addressing the challenges of the kit.

If you send me a PM with your mailing address I will ship you a set of the Master masts and yard arms.

Looking forward to seeing your further progression.

Dave



Hi Dave

sir, you are too kind! Thank you! PM on it's way!

Tech update

I have an idea on the ships boats. I think I may cut the roofs off to add the scuttles/windows then fit a scratch built roof and life ring.

There's also a "mooring bumper" ( i don't know if that's the right term-correct me if I'm wrong) running the length of the boats' hulls. I'll add that with sheet styrene...

Thoughts guys?
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Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 - 07:45 AM GMT+7
Russell,

Amazing work. I really enjoy watching your builds and how you go about addressing the challenges of the kit.

If you send me a PM with your mailing address I will ship you a set of the Master masts and yard arms.

Looking forward to seeing your further progression.

Dave
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Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 - 05:23 AM GMT+7
Excellent build so far Russ!

Cheers!
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Posted: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 - 04:05 AM GMT+7
Good call for the cranes Russ. I'll look later, but the differences in boom length that you identified are actually true to the real thing.
I'll explain - On page 33 of Koop's 'Heavy Cruisers of the Hipper Class' book, there is a line drawing of the cranes fitted to PE, and AH & Blucher. The latter pair were fitted with identical cranes with the shorter jib arm.
PE was fitted with a crane which had a longer horizontal arm at the end and with 2 x pulleys and a small light midway between the two.

I'd scan and email you a copy but I can't get my printer to save to the pc - whatever happened to 'dumb' printers eh?
These HP smart printers are too smart for their own good!
RussellE
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 11:36 PM GMT+7
Hi Michael

thanks for the heads up!

I will definitely be looking into these!
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Posted: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 - 08:07 PM GMT+7

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Thanks Gaz

brass masts are great aren't they? So much better than the (often warped) styrene kit parts that won't hold up under rigging...

There's a big gap in the after market market for brass mast replacements-surprised no manufacturer has tweaked to this so far...


Hi Russ,
I don't know the size of Prinz masts but Master do a range of brass masts and yards. The yards are especially good as they are tapered which saves a bit of effort on the self build approach. They come in a range of lengths. The masts are also tapered but only come in 100mm lengths but different widths. May save you some time.

cheers
Michael